How you play? (with Ironman or without Ironman)

[DevastatingTech]

Guys I will create a mod but I need a statistic for what will/should I do.

So;

1) How you play EU4 generally? Ironman or Non-Ironman?
2) How much Ironman is important for you except achievements?

Edit: Mod will be about graphics of map. Ironman gives limitations. So now you guys can get a clear opinion.

 

[ldevarga]

Non-ironman as of 1.8 because there are various thing I don't want. Prior to that it was ironman, but only because the MNS mod was not up to date with 1.7/1.6. , prior to that only with MNS. I've asked about ironman-lite (mods allowed, no achievements) several times and last time I did (when 1.8 came out) Wiz said he was not opposed to the idea and that he'd look into it (don't know if he will/has).

I don't care about achievements at all.

What's the mod's purpose?

 

[Fallout1986]

The only time I play without Ironman is when I play mods.

Doesn't matter if I am chasing achivements or not.

 

[Landwalker]

No Ironman for me. I'm not averse to playing non-Ironman under the same "no reloading" premise, but actual Ironman doesn't appeal to me for no other reason than the mandatory historical lucky nations. I prefer playing with lucky nations off, so there shall be no Ironman in my games...

 

[itsuart]

1) How you play EU4 generally? Ironman or Non-Ironman?
2) How much Ironman is important for you except achievements?

1) Ironman
2) Always ironman because it's single-save mechanic is very convenient.

 

[DevastatingTech]

Up

 

[Tacticus101]

Never Ironman, ever.

 

[Olligarchy]

1) Ironman. Anything else is for the WEAK.
2) Keeps saves and stops me from cheating so very.

 

[stilgarpl]

Mostly ironman because achievements. Once I get all of them I'll probably start playing normal games again.
Ironman in CK2 is much better than the one from EU4. EU4 forces stupid difficulty settings on you (Lucky nations!), in CK2 it doesn't matter if you play on Very Easy or Very Hard. Also, CK2 saves only once per 6 months.

 

[Payens]

Pretty much Ironman only. I often can't help myself and reload stupid outcomes when I'm not in Ironman.
Will probably do some non-ironman games soon though, as I don't like the same-continent colonization mechanic at all and I ran into some bugs that really fucked me over (20000 distance penalty, allies not joining war despite willing to join on declaration, stuff like that).
If this gets changed, I'm probably back to Ironman entirely.

 

[Gustav91]

1) Ironman. Anything else is for the WEAK.
2) Keeps saves and stops me from cheating so very.

You mean Ironman is for the weak! If my last game hadn't been Ironman I'd cheated. Non ironman me would have cheated when Sweden with close to the same borders of Sweden 1660-1721, loses Jämtland, Bohuslän, Lappland and Västergötland to Norway, loses Halland, Blekinge, Skåne, Gotland to Denmark, Finland breaks free with Österbotten, Tavastland, Savolax, Nyland, Viborg, Karelia and Nöteborg, Pommerania gets Stettin and Vorpommern back, Riga becomes free, Sweden goes bankrupt, loses to two revolts so todays Sweden gets 100 autonomy. Functional holdings was Remaing Baltics. (Think Livionian order and add Neva).

 

[Casus_Belli]

Ironman all the time, at first it was to get achievements, but now it's because I'm kind of OCD about it!

 

[wickermoon]

Non-Ironman, as I hate lucky nations.

 

[Jamey]

I don't care about achievements. I like playing with mods. I have encountered bugs that required me to revert to an older save to avoid game over or CTD in Paradox games.

For all of the above reasons, I choose to never Ironman.

 

[zorkman]

Non-Ironman, as I hate lucky nations.

+1 So true.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Guys I will create a mod but I need a statistic for what will/should I do.

So;

1) How you play EU4 generally? Ironman or Non-Ironman?
2) How much Ironman is important for you except achievements?

Edit: Mod will be about graphics of map. Ironman gives limitations. So now you guys can get a clear opinion.

I play a lot more non-ironman than ironman for a few reasons:

1. Playing ironman guarantees that you lose well over an hour per game to saves only (in fact if you're not on SSD, several). If you spend 30-60 hours on one game, this isn't a big deal. If you're like me and spend maybe 10, then it's a large percentage of dead time.

2. I play a lot of MP with a few other people with made-up goals in mind, precluding ironman anyway.

Other than achievements, ironman is worse than useless to me; it's an active detriment to my experience. It's not that hard to avoid reloading or using console, and it has absolutely 0 upside otherwise.


Finally, the covenant of "no takebacks" is not a standard PI itself holds to. You can get screwed by inaccurate patch notes actively providing misinformation and then can't undo it, or get into bugged situations with no mulligans. Take for example a republic in Japan in 1.7 trying to enforce Sakoku law; herp nope you need 7500 republican tradition! Now in 1.8 the decision doesn't work at all...derp.

That's not an isolated incident. You got crap like allies joining against you while the UI said they'd be on your side, or going back a few patches having CNs force you to break all your alliances with dishonored calls unless you enforced peace instantly on every single colonial war...and then you couldn't re-ally because you hated your former allies for dishonoring a call you never actually made. While the game is pulling crap like that (or introducing significant changes not listed in patch notes or changes that are listed wrongly, which is every patch since I joined), ironman becomes a nice "screw you" exercise in added fake difficulty.

I do it for achievements only, which is rare.

 

[unmerged(243999)]

I'd play Ironman if I could disable Lucky Nations, or at least set them to Random. Do not want to see the same outcome in Europe every game.

 

[Zqrfmb]

Not ironman due to alliance cascading before 1.8 causing me to DoW a minor power, warleader trde to a medium power I expected and am able to fight then, warleader trade again to France who's allied with Spain who has Austria under a PU (that was tough to work around), now not ironman because the game runs slower for me, and I don't want to autosave every month. LN is annoying, would be nice if you could at least have random LN, with the LN weights shifted a bit so that it's not basically historical except sometimes Denmark gets lucky status instead of Poland.

 

[anomalacaris]

Surely ironman as it provide a common experience for more meaningful discussion.

 

[Pornek]

For achievements I do (which is rarely), otherwise I just disable autosaves and have the same non-reload feature.