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Will you be able to voluntarily abolish slavery at any time (with the resulting political consequences), like you could change religion or DP sliders or whatever else in EU2? Or is it entirely event based?

Will provinces in Africa still produce slaves? If they do, will those provinces change to another commodity when owned by an abolitionist country?

What about the economic effects of slavery? Will the economy be hit hard when slaves are first removed from the equation? Will provinces that have appropriate goods (cotton comes to mind) gain a bonus if they're owned by a slave-owning country?

Just some food for thought and discussion.
 

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Slavery was in EU2 albiet at the periphery, because of the economic, political and eventual military issues that slavery would
cause in the United States in this era it most be dealt with in a much more in depth fashion.
 

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slavery will most likely be confronted with events - for both russia and the US. Maybe even a string of events that could push the US into a civil war immediately.
 

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The East African slave trade and the crusade for its abolition were major factors in the exploration of that continent and the early stages of the "Scramble"...
 

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Originally posted by Disturbed
slavery will most likely be confronted with events - for both russia and the US. Maybe even a string of events that could push the US into a civil war immediately.

Of course, we still don't know how the game will handle the States/ Federal aspects of the USA...:(
But surely slavery - or rather Abolition - will be a significant feature and a major decision for some countries.
 

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The peculiar institution was vital to the southern economy and was one of many economic differences between the north and south. If the player does abolish slavery or to some other degree of "freedom" ahistorically, he should have to make HUGE concessions on mercantilist/protectionist practices to prevent the south from breaking away. Spend lots of money to "buy" the southern property, and all in all cripple any possible industralization the United States could have. No longer could northern factories compete with European ones, the Federal government wouldn't have money to subsidize railroad construction, and although you may have abolished slavery you would have driven the the divide between north and south even further apart.

Considering that the Goverments only income was from tariffs, excise, and property taxes it would seem impossible for the player to raze enough money to purchase the southern property, and if he some how did, there would be none left to fund anything else. Keeping two completly different economic, political, and social regions under control and happy should be a daunting task, and at the same time you have to consider that Peculiar Instituion, sounds like fun ;)
 

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Originally posted by Disturbed
slavery will most likely be confronted with events - for both russia and the US. Maybe even a string of events that could push the US into a civil war immediately.

Don't forget the Empire of Brazil they had slaves even longer than the United States I think.
 

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Yes, only in 1888 the slavery was abolished in Brazil. In the following year the empire, without the support of the aristocracy, ended with a bloodless military coup.
 

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Originally posted by SykoNurse
could be some sort of slider maybe (free citizens <-> servants) together with a few events thrown in to match the historical part.

But that sounds like a national policy. How would that apply to the US, where certain states were slave states, and others were free?
 

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Would be interesting to see what happens when a player builds with an eye to taking over as the CSA once the civil war takes place. The south suddenly has more industry, the British don't have an overabundance of cotton due to problems with cotton being burned in the warehouses, etc.
 

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Originally posted by BarristerBoy
I can understand the sensitivity of the subject, but since it was such a major factor in the US Civil War it surely has to be dealt with in some fashion...

It wasnt a MAJOR factor of the American Civil War, the war didnt start to abolish slavery like so many people think.
 

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I think they've got the map done. Might be a little early for that yet... though this in itself is speculation.

You know, while I hope Paradox doesn't shy away from the bad side of slavery--er, that it existed, I suppose--I hope some of the positive efforts against it are put into high relief. Specifically, the British went on something very close to a holy crusade to do away with it.

For example, the Royal Navy blockaded Constantinople and (I believe) threatened its shelling if the woefully lax Ottoman government didn't play ball on the crackdown on slavery in the Arab territories (to be fair to the Turks, the move was actually applauded in some circles, mainly amongst those that wanted the sharia law enforced, though naturally the British resort to threat was not appreciated).

Also, one of the primary--if not the main--reason the British gave no real support to the Confederacy, despite their lingering enmity with the U.S. and general and reasonable loathing of its free existence, was in the end the Union's anti-slavery war aims. The Emancipation Proclamation made such a position of support for the far greater of two evils, however much realpolitik sense it may have made at the time, totally untenable.

Hopefully British efforts to change other country's domestic policies based on ideological imperatives will be modeled; such a system, of course, would hardly be useful only for them.

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Toejam Football: It wasnt a MAJOR factor of the American Civil War, the war didnt start to abolish slavery like so many people think.

Not as such, no, it was started because the Confederate states (including my own, gosh I'm so proud we were the first to secede) felt that the Constitution provided for states rights and, ultimately, severances of ties to the Union if they saw fit. The United States government, logically, felt quite different on this issue. But the war was not fought over the philosophical ramifications of these divergent views. It was fought because increasing federal control--a federal control directed by the more populous, anti-slavery North--would have eventually led to the abrogation of certain assurances the South felt to be their natural rights. Therefore, no, the war was fought over slavery, but, to be more specific, the right of states within the federal union to decide their own laws regarding slavery and everything else. Slavery was certainly the prominent issue the states of the South felt they wanted to decide on their own.
 
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Originally posted by Ideologue
Not as such, no, it was started because the Confederate states (including my own, gosh I'm so proud we were the first to secede) felt that the Constitution provided for states rights and, ultimately, severances of ties to the Union if they saw fit.

South Carolina - Too small to be a country, too large for an insane asylum. :D
 

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Heh.

And it wasn't even the first time we tried to secede. John C. Calhoun's gang threatened to do it in the 1820s.

Andrew Jackson sent an army down and basically said that we wouldn't if we knew what was best for us. We didn't secede.

God, I hate John C. Calhoun. Not as much as Andrew Jackson (who hated him politically and personally, for maligning his wife), but I don't like him. Why must all our Senators be embarassments?

Regards, the only guy in South Carolina who thinks Sherman was a hero. (*That* ought to piss people off. Incidentally, yes, I was born here.)
 

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Calhoun was such an ass, too bad he didn't live long enough to see the SOuth go down in flames and the slaves freed.