How will an influx of new species affect slightly xenophobic democracies?

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wrong, have you seen the hair toupee feathered brain slug on his head? it's been leaching the life out of him ever since he landed in chicago!

Poor poor brain slug, of all the people why trump. There are better people then him. I pity the brain slug now :p
 
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Apologies in advance for attempting to put the train back on the rails, but I think one of the neat things about Stellaris POPs is that even though your society has certain Ethos slider settings that you set at creation (and hopefully continue to influence via gameplay), POPs also have their individual ethos, meaning that even a peace-loving xenophillic member of a thriving multi-species federation might have to deal with rising militancy from a segment of their POPs who have adopted a xenophobic ethos. Managing that discontent and potential rebellion will hopefully be an interesting and engrossing part of play.
 

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Space king Trump has decided to expel all Tuekamenans from his border to preserve jobs of United Stars Citizens

Name: Imperial Space of America

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Leader: Emperor Donald Trump I

"I love the Tuekamenan people, I love all people, but we can either have a galactic empire--with borders--or we can have no empire at all."

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Greatest Ally: Tsar Putin I


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Apologies in advance for attempting to put the train back on the rails, but I think one of the neat things about Stellaris POPs is that even though your society has certain Ethos slider settings that you set at creation (and hopefully continue to influence via gameplay), POPs also have their individual ethos, meaning that even a peace-loving xenophillic member of a thriving multi-species federation might have to deal with rising militancy from a segment of their POPs who have adopted a xenophobic ethos. Managing that discontent and potential rebellion will hopefully be an interesting and engrossing part of play.

Using the Epigenetics explanation, a species would have traits which are not activated from their genetic sequence. They would only be activated, in a single generation of environmental stimuli that causes it to express itself, if the appropriate stimuli were introduced. Then from that point on, any progeny would have a higher chance of expressing said trait with the same environmental context.

If a civilization built on survival through war, weapons, and armor, like Europe from 7th century AD to 19th century, developed their system due to defending against slave raids and viking raids and barbarian raids, then they should continue to express those traits if they continue to be attacked. If a peace loving xenophilic species can continue to be at peace, using the same environment as they were raised and advanced in, they could become even more in love with the xenos. And a Europe that becomes part of the Golden Age of Mankind, with peace and prosperity, will then give up their martial ways, their European Historical Martial Art culture and heritage.

Until somebody invades them and starts converting their biological reproduction units into slaves, that is. Then the Epigenetic process re activates old Warrior traits, due to long lost but still remembered genetic templates and activation sequences. They would flip, not even taking a single generation to do so, from one extreme to another. Perhaps they loved xenos because in the course of their alien advancement, they wiped out some of their cousin species who they competed for. They then wished to never repeat their mistakes, but their DNA templates or whatever they use, still store the state they were in when they triumphed by exterminating the aliens. So they automatically revert, if the environment becomes too much for them to handle. That species wide instinct for survival. The hunger for food and water. The refusal and fear of breathing in water or poison. That instinct was still there, even as the mind went insane consciously and logically.

It would make for an interesting backstory on top of Stellaris' ethos drift, at least.

There were some interesting interviews and reviews in recent years, concerning sociopaths. Or rather, a person who became a neuro doctor and got an MRI on his brain, and people realized he had similar things compared to a sociopath. He didn't express the more violent and anti social traits, because his environment was peaceful, constructive, and productive. But he asked around his close relatives and family, and they did admit to telling him that he could be pretty inhumane and cold at times. He didn't realize it, he lacked the empathy to do so, so he used his brain power and his skills to figure it out.

I imagine a lot of people are like that. They may be called geniuses or prodigies or whatever, but it was their environment and internal motivations, which allowed their talents to express themselves. And some people expressed it early and it burned out, because of too much social pressure. The orthodox explanation before Epigenetics, before figuring out how breeding selected traits that weren't there, was that you either had the talent or not. Either your parents were prodigies at music and you would inherit that, or you wouldn't. Now it gets complicated.
 
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"That is why I, Gorton Colu, have founded the Anti-Alien League. The time has come for action! We cannot sit idly by while aliens blight our glorious planet!"
--Gorton Colu, Knights of The Old Republic


Apologies in advance if this was asked and answered somewhere else, but I'm curious how less... autocratic forms of government will deal with the alien inhabitants of newly colonized or conquered worlds. Of course, this is mostly assuming those aliens would still be guaranteed constitutional rights and possibly the ability to vote.

Would the alien POPS cause a series of "civil rights movement" type events? Would there be a general fear from the player's species being replaced by a swiftly growing alien minority? Perhaps more militaristic and radically xenophobic parties can gain popularity as your own species fears losing its position of power? Conversely, could reactionaries emerge if your civilization discovers a way to make breeding between your species and another (forming a new subspecies) possible?

I only ask because I can't imagine my future military democracy would take kindly to "xenos" upsetting the status quo while conversely not wanting to devote more military resources to keep them in line (a la the Spartans)
maybe giving certain classes of citizenship. segregation allowing rights to practice their culture to varying degrees. The civil rights movement is an interesting event I would like to see happen along with the reactionary ideas and militancy in response to mass immigration of aliens into our nations
 
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Even the most Xenophodic Empire would be constant flux, and IMO, a democracy that is selective about who gets to vote is a democracy in name only

Such as the founder of democracy, Ancient Athens? When slaves, freedmen, immigrants, women, and anyone under the age of 20 (totalling over 2/3rds of the population) were not applicable to vote?

Never has a democracy existed that hasn't been selective about who may vote, even if the modern restriction is normally based on age.
 

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You turn into the U.S.

Just "liberate" all your people until the economy crashes, birth rates drop to nil, and depression skyrockets. Then you import some foreign race. Play native against foreign. Everyone can't stop fighting long enough to see what the State is doing.
 

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Even the most Xenophodic Empire would be constant flux, and IMO, a democracy that is selective about who gets to vote is a democracy in name only
Such as the founder of democracy, Ancient Athens? When slaves, freedmen, immigrants, women, and anyone under the age of 20 (totalling over 2/3rds of the population) were not applicable to vote?

Never has a democracy existed that hasn't been selective about who may vote, even if the modern restriction is normally based on age.

I heard cats can vote now, only real democracies with them in it.

People can vote, but it won't be equal. Sort of like how on Ebay or Kickstarter, people aren't equal. It's transparent and information flows freely, but the resources are not divided evenly, the person that contributes the money, or 1000, is not the same as the backer with 1 dollar on the line, nor are they the same as the content creators or distributors.

For those that don't pull their own weight, there's no point giving them a say. It's not like it helps create content. This uneven, unequal system works on the same principles as Athens did. The people who were motivated to do the most work setting up the system, had the most votes.

A system that tries to make human relationships equal, by giving everyone an equal vote, isn't going to be effective. Some people are going to have more talent and be taller in volleyball and basketball. That's just how it is.
 
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