How useful is Spains "Fabricate Anywhere" ability?

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Just curious my fellow castellians, how useful are you finding this ability? I think it could be quiet handy since no one seems to want to take a loan :).
 

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I don't understand what it is exactly.
Their national ideas allow them to forge a claim on any overseas province, rather than just an adjacent province. For example, Portugal wants to take forge a claim on a province in South America, they will need a province next to it, or adjacent to the sea zone it is adjacent to. Spain can just forge the claim as long as it counts as overseas (a different continent and not connected to the capital).

To answer OP, it is quite useful for easily controlling where you expand overseas. It nearly invalidates the need for the Expansion idea group. If you take the Expansion idea group though, it gives diminished returns in Asia (although reducing coring cost and time for a claim is still a plus)
 

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It's highly situational, but as Spartan_One said, at times it can be quite useful. I'd much rather change it for a Trade Efficiency or Land Morale idea instead you understand :p
 

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It is extremely powerful if you know how to use it right. It makes hijacking the hre very painless. You can fabricate claims on electorates, vassalize them and steel the empire from under Austria's nose like it was nothing.
 

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Yeah its completely broken and unbalanced. It should definitely not be active in Europe. Makes it easy to start wars with anyone.you want on the planet. Totallly nuts!
 

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Really? Wow,lol op Norse Spain, here I come! :)
 

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Yea i don't think its a bug since the description states "Fabricate a claim on any overseas province.". It seems to be WAD. It sure makes castile feel truly unique.
 

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Yea i don't think its a bug since the description states "Fabricate a claim on any overseas province.". It seems to be WAD. It sure makes castile feel truly unique.
The bug is that you can fabricate claims on ANY province, including the European ones. Either that's not WAD or there needs to be an update to the tooltip.

I do believe it's a little silly. Perhaps not extremely powerful per sé, but it does make Castile have a few too many options.
 

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The bug is that you can fabricate claims on ANY province, including the European ones. Either that's not WAD or there needs to be an update to the tooltip.

I do believe it's a little silly. Perhaps not extremely powerful per sé, but it does make Castile have a few too many options.


Options are power in EU, it's super powerful. It's so easy to become Papal Controller as Spain and with this ability, even if you just play the game straight you can be in perma Crusade mode, it's a huge boost. That's using it at it's most basic level.

So, you want a moral bonus, check
Tax Bonus? Check
Manpower? Check
Prestige? Check
More Papal Influence? Check

It's huge. It's not exactly hard to stay in Crusade mode without it but it eats up diplo relations and is unreliable.

It's also way easier to just hit the triggered modifiers.
 

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Their national ideas allow them to forge a claim on any overseas province, rather than just an adjacent province. For example, Portugal wants to take forge a claim on a province in South America, they will need a province next to it, or adjacent to the sea zone it is adjacent to. Spain can just forge the claim as long as it counts as overseas (a different continent and not connected to the capital).

To answer OP, it is quite useful for easily controlling where you expand overseas. It nearly invalidates the need for the Expansion idea group. If you take the Expansion idea group though, it gives diminished returns in Asia (although reducing coring cost and time for a claim is still a plus)

expansion ideas give reduced coring cost and time? that would be new to me, i thought it just gives you a cb against technological backward nations in asia.
 

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expansion ideas give reduced coring cost and time? that would be new to me, i thought it just gives you a cb against technological backward nations in asia.
I think the poster was going the other way around; Expansion's CB (which is much better than "Conquest") makes the ability to fabricate claims to generate random CBs in Asia less valuable (but still somewhat valuable, since a claim will still reduce coring cost/time).