How to vassalize holy orders?

[Gunnarr]

I am playing as Jerusalem, but I am confused as to how to vassalize holy orders. I started the game with both Hospillitar and Templar as vassals, but the Hospilitar are no longer (They declared indipendence from me). I want them to be my vassal again

How is this done? When asking him to be a vassal, he always refuses with "not de jure liege" and "small difference in rank"

He currently only has two baronies, one of which is in my de-jure Kingdom of Jerusalem, and the other is in Syria

 

[justin6477]

Wait, how'd you vassalize them in the first place? By mod or by the tactic people usually use?

The reason he won't accept your rule is that their primary title has no ruler, even if his lower holdings do. So you'll have to make them landless and then vassalize them.

 

[Gunnarr]

I started my game in around 1150 as the King of Jerusalem and lo and behold I had them as vassals from the start! (I was not complaining! ) I am not using mods or anything (and i don't know what you mean by the tactic people ussually use XD )

and okay, I will try that. I will use my de jure claims

 

[justin6477]

There's some way to set it up so Holy Orders get inherited by the player, which then makes them vassals.

I don't entirely get it myself and have never used it.

 

[Gunnarr]

I took away all of the Hospitillariatiaririaiar's holdings but then the button to offer vassalization went away so that does not work.

I fiddled around, and tried granting the heir to the Grandmaster a peice of land. I then pushed his claim on a piece of land i gave the hospitiliarirars and now he is grandmaster and a vassal.

It seems too gamey to me, I wish there was a better way...

/sigh

I just want it to be how it when I started my game!

 

[Frozen_Predator]

well gunnarr you did it the only way, namely: invite over the heir to the order if he has claims (this is not always the case), land heir and press claims. best is to give said heir 1 county within a duchy you own so you can plot to revoke said county as soon as possible. The holy orders perform best if unlanded.

 

[CrashTestDummy]

If you wish to vassalise a Holy Order without mods, what you need to do first, is to give the Grandmaster a landed title (like a barony or a county for instance). Then you need to revoke that barony/county back (for some reason, this is the only way to see the heir of the Order). Then, give the Grandmaster a landed title once more and assassinate his heirs until you can find one that will accept your invitation to your court (usually takes about two assassinations). Vassalize the claiment by giving him a landed title, and then press for his claims to depose the Grandmaster.

Here's an image of my King of Brittany who is also the Grandmaster of Knights Templar and Knights Hospitallers:

 

[unmerged(47028)]

I you press on holy order's coat of arm it directs to the headquarters of the order. Templars are based in Paris, Hospitalars in Rome, Teutons somewhere in Germany.

As a king of France I asked Templars to be my vassals and they accepted my proposal without any tricks.

Later I became the Emperor of Byzantium and gave France to my son. Templars became vassals of my son even though they had no land in France - only in Jerusalem.

So I guess, if you are Emperor of HRE you should not have a problem to vassalise Teutonic Order.

 

[whosthebestcop]

Give the Holy Order Grandmaster one of your de jure duchies that has the same culture as your character. 1 to 3 murders later the new grandmaster will be of the culture of the duchy which is also you culture. Since you are the same culture and you are his de jure liege he will accept your vassilaztion attempt.

Then 1 to 3 murders of the grandmaster (your vassal now) later and you will inherit. Rinse and repeat with all other Holy Orders.

The grandmaster title counts as a duke level title so if you have both titles with your character you won't be able to have any other duke titles.

 

[unmerged(47028)]

Is it possible to vassalise mercenaries?

 

[WeissRaben]

Or give the Order a title that is de jure your vassal - that should do the trick.

 

[Mods]

Is it possible to vassalise mercenaries?

Maybe if they manage to do a successful invasion and they're in your de jure lands (making them accept vassalization)

 

[cyrileom]

What I did to vassalize them was to give them a county and a duchy that is de jure in my influence. I bribed them and then offered vassalization. Voila, 2 vassal holy orders. You also don't need to have same culture, the de jure bonus usually helps override that as well as around 60-70 opinion. Easily achieved by having church approved traits and bribing him.

 

[perpetualmuse]

Maybe if they manage to do a successful invasion and their in your de jure lands (making them accept vassalization)

It was possible to do it this way in 1.06b, but I haven't tried in patch 1.07b. You have to go into negative gold while they are hired and hope they invade you, allowing you to vassalize them later.