How to use "Sow Dissent" Chancellor ability?

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I want to give the King of France a hard time, where do I send my chancellor? Do I send him to the court of the King, or to the court of one of his dukes? I've never seen an event pop up for my chancellor, so I have no idea if I'm doing it right, and the tooltip is unhelpful.

 

[Finarfin]

I believe you send him to the province of the vassal you want to become dissatisfied. After placing him make sure you check the tooltip on him to see if he's having any effect. When I've placed my Chancellor on vassals of my own liege he doesn't seem to do anything, i.e. there is no possible effects % shown, as there is when you send him to a foreign realm. I don't know if this is WAD or a bug.

 

[Manchester.bw]

you can send him to your own dukes (lowering relations with them so they'll revolt), or to the direct vassals of foreign rulers to cause trouble there, too

 

[Sir Garnet]

And if sent to a County they sow dissent both in the Count's view of his liege and the opinions of the other baronies towards the Count?

 

[Finarfin]

you can send him to your own dukes (lowering relations with them so they'll revolt), or to the direct vassals of foreign rulers to cause trouble there, too

Does this work even if the tooltip shows no data regarding % chance of success, etc.?

 

[Pallen]

I believe you send him to the spot where the king of france is, and it will ruin relations between him and his vassals.

 

[Cymsdale]

There clearly is an interface issue here. The answer is not obvious, considering that people in this thread have given conflicting answers. I would love some sort of explanation on how all the councilor missions work (and their resulting events). The manual is very lacking on this.

 

[MasterofMagic]

There clearly is an interface issue here. The answer is not obvious, considering that people in this thread have given conflicting answers. I would love some sort of explanation on how all the councilor missions work (and their resulting events). The manual is very lacking on this.

+1

I'd love an actual reference guide for all the things the manual doesn't explain and left out.

 

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Agreed, as King of Scotland I sent my Chancellor to Middlesex and had no idea whether it was having any effect or not (other than getting him imprisoned periodically). I opened up the pages of vassals and looked at the tooltips for their leige relations, but nothing to indicate the chancellor was having an effect.

 

[MiracleTortoise]

The chancellor has effects, but his events don't pop up for you, most of the time - but for the chosen victim. Thus, its not entirely clear how much of an impact you're having unless you're hawkishly watching events logs.

 

[Cymsdale]

The chancellor has effects, but his events don't pop up for you, most of the time - but for the chosen victim. Thus, its not entirely clear how much of an impact you're having unless you're hawkishly watching events logs.

Well if that's true he should send you a letter or something (a pop up) informing you of his actions. From my perspective, he's simply chilling for months or years with no progress whatsoever.

 

[Finarfin]

The chancellor has effects, but his events don't pop up for you, most of the time - but for the chosen victim. Thus, its not entirely clear how much of an impact you're having unless you're hawkishly watching events logs.

My concern is the different tooltips you will see when you actually hover over the chancellor character on your map. If he's in a foreign realm you will see information about the annual % chance of doing various things. If you place him in a province in your kingdom you will not have this extra information. That's why I wonder whether it's actually having any effect if you don't see confirmation of the possible %.

 

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Is "Sow Dissent" the trick to being able to attack one county from a large kingdom without having all of the kingdom's troops stomp you or there another way? And where exactly to put the Chancellor to sow dissent... in the county I'm gonna attack, their duke's county, or their king's county.?

My dink little country next to France would like to use a casus belli on a county, but it seems essentially untouchable. How do yall do it?

 

[Gugli3]

I want to give the King of France a hard time, where do I send my chancellor? Do I send him to the court of the King, or to the court of one of his dukes? I've never seen an event pop up for my chancellor, so I have no idea if I'm doing it right, and the tooltip is unhelpful.

When I first started I read that the best use of Sow Dissent is with a child ruler. Sweden was in charge of most of England, and quite bigger than my Irish Kingdom. I was able to assassinate the King, leaving a child heir (that was the one King I've played who carried the title "The Accursed"). Then I sent Lord Chancellor to the Swedish Capitol to sow dissent. Within 6 mos big Sweden was broken up into rebellious Duchies, and the English boys were able to hold them out, leaving themselves now bite sized for me.

Could have been a coincidence I guess, but I took it as a proven tool hint, and consider it whenever I see an underage major opponent.

 

[Gugli3]

Is "Sow Dissent" the trick to being able to attack one county from a large kingdom without having all of the kingdom's troops stomp you or there another way? And where exactly to put the Chancellor to sow dissent... in the county I'm gonna attack, their duke's county, or their king's county.?

My dink little country next to France would like to use a casus belli on a county, but it seems essentially untouchable. How do yall do it?

I think Sow Dissent could be a tool here if placed in the French capitol, but my experience is that results happen less frequently than other events unless the ruler is a child.

I've been in your situation. I've found it easier to take advantage of adverse events... like when a 'lower crown authority' revolt takes place and multiple duchies change colors, or especially if Aquitaine splits or the HRE moves on them. The advantages here are that the rebellious duchies don't contribute troops and the main country is preoccupied with the rebellion. I've seen counties surrendered with 25% war score if the rebellion is dragging on.

Another thing to watch for the conditions being right... if your claim is one of those who revolt, jumping on them quickly can take the county before the main country can end the revolt. You just have to make sure which side initiated the rebellion (you can tell on the Wars ledger page). I missed that once in France, when it was the King who was attacking in an action to strip a title. When I got too close to winning the county the King made white peace and I had to fight the big guys for it.

 

[Tapscott]

+1 for a more easier to understand interface, and events popping up to tell you what your chancellor has actually achieved!

 

[knuckey]

Looking at the script it appears there is an event that is supposed to inform you if your chancellor succeeds in sowing dissent , but it is scripted wrongly so it cant appear. I'll report to the bug thread.

Apart from that it appears to work, if you want to try to make a duke hate his king put the chancellor in any province where the duke has a holding. Although you cant use it to sow dissent within your own realm.

 

[Tapscott]

Sweet find knuckey! Now i know how to get dukes to rebel, (should make the HRE a bit more intersting!), but does this mean that I cant get dukes to rebel if im there liege, or that i cant get dukes to rebel if we share the same liege? e.g. we're both dukes in France.

 

[Ambigore]

+1

Does anyone know for sure? I've always put my Chancellor in a rival kingdom's capital but never knew if it worked or not. So I'm supposed to put the Chancellor in a vassal's holding instead?

 

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Is "Sow Dissent" the trick to being able to attack one county from a large kingdom without having all of the kingdom's troops stomp you or there another way? And where exactly to put the Chancellor to sow dissent... in the county I'm gonna attack, their duke's county, or their king's county.?

My dink little country next to France would like to use a casus belli on a county, but it seems essentially untouchable. How do yall do it?

No, there is no easy trick you can pull to break counties away from France.

If you're lucky, you can have them try to declare independence, after relations with the king get bad. But they would only be "easy picks" for you, in the case that they win their independence struggle. If you attack while the independence war is ongoing, the rebel count will likely sign peace with his king as soon as he realizes you are about to take his land away.

In general, there is no easy trick to get a grip on larger kingdoms. If there was, it would be an instant "win" button.

Just stay watchful, keep an eye on the kingdom, and hope that they end up in some sort of internal struggle eventually. Or better yet, watch the wider world as well, because France might just have a run of five excellent kings, and you wouldn't get an opening even if you waited a century.

You can do like the Anjou dynasty that ruled parts of France: They never became kings of France, but they managed to seize a whole bunch of other places:

conquered Naples, ran the place 1266–1435
conquered Sicily, ran the place 1266–1282
tried to seize the byzantine Empire, didn't work out though
usurped the (landless) crown of Jerusalem 1266–1435
conquered/seized Hungary through a claim inherited by a woman, 1301–1414
inherited Poland and ran the place for a short while, 1370–1386/1399

I bet they too would have liked to run France, but as they never got an opening, they put their sights elsewhere