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I've played EU3 a lot now and understand most apsects of the game, however I was always a war monger and never bothered with the royal marriage/inheritance piece. Now I'm trying a peaceful slow Austria game and have just forced a personnel union with Bavaria through a war and I realise I've no idea how this stuff works. How do I set myself to inherited Bavaria if my king dies? I understand it has something to do with prestige? What other factors are involved?
 

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1. Find a medium-power country that's somewhat smaller than yours. For example, Bavaria.

2. Get a royal marriage with them, and avoid marriages with other people for the time being.

3. Wait until they have low legitimacy or a bad heir, and make sure you still have a royal marriage.

4. Fabricate claims with a spy if you can, claim throne if you can't.

5. Attack as soon as possible, claims to thrones have an annoying tendency to be lost rather quickly.

5. Shoot all their guys.

6. Force a personal union in the peace.

7. IMMEDIATELY shower them with gifts and nice treaties! If your monarch dies with relations between your countries still low, the union will end. THIS IS THE WORST POSSIBLE OUTCOME!!!

8. Keep relations between your countries very good, and keep your prestige above zero. Negative prestige on ruler death ends the union. Legitimacy might have some effects too, but I'm not certain.

9. If you have fewer regiments than your 'partner', they will send you insults every month whilst they are at peace, in order to reduce relations and get out of the onion. This is why you must only try to take the thrones of weaker countries.

10. Each time your monarch dies, there is a good chance that you will inherit the lesser country. If you inherit, you win all their provinces instantly.

11. If/when you inherit, you will gain cores on all the core provinces of the former state that are in your culture group. If both of you are in the Empire, you will get the cores anyway, regardless of culture.

12. If you have had a union for 50 years, you can 'integrate' the other country. This is like inheritance, but you never get any cores. This is most useful if you have a union with someone outside your culture group. Otherwise, it's not really worth it.

13. If you have a royal marriage with any country, you can sometimes get lucky and form a union with them by chance, without claiming the throne and going to war.

14. If you are really lucky, you can inherit a country that you have a royal marriage with, without even going through a personal union. This happens for the AI more often than it does for the human. Often this is more of a curse than a blessing though, since the inherited land tends to be miles away from your territory and with a different culture. I inherited Scotland as France once, which was kind of cool since this was back in old Vanilla EU III when inheritance automatically gave you cores regardless of culture. Also, there was no such thing as colonial range and 'fabricate claims' would create a free core, but that's a different story... :)

15. If the union does break, you get a 'restoration of union' CB on the traitors.

16. If you inherit some land you don't want, you could consider giving it to another country or releasing a vassal.

17. Snakes can sometimes be dangerous, especially to young children.

18. If you end up in a union yourself, don't form an alliance with the master, and just insult them until relations are below 0. Player countries cannot be inherited at all, even in multiplayer, so being stuck in a union is largely just an annoyance for you.
 

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Your heir's diplomacy skill plays a factor in it and idk if fishman said that but i'm in a hurry and that seems to be the most important thing as well as infamy i'm not sure if SOI add to it or its strictly the heir they take into account
 

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Your heir's diplomacy skill plays a factor in it and idk if fishman said that but i'm in a hurry and that seems to be the most important thing as well as infamy i'm not sure if SOI add to it or its strictly the heir they take into account

I don't think it does, but that's just me. I don't know how much it matters at all.

I mean for example sure, as England I had a SOI of like +23 or something early, I had also bonuses from other things, my ruler wasn't that good in diplo though. And I inherited Castille and Aragon (think there was some nation I didn't inherit though)

But then as Ottomans I had no SOI, almost no bonuses, and I had a low diplo-ruler, and I inherited Mamluks, Algiers, Hedjaz and Oman. (Didn't inherit Morocco though until later...but think relations were low)
 

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SoI isn't necessary; I had a recent game where I inherited three countries all at the same time, and I only had those three in my SoI. Basically doubled the size of my country in one shot. (I was a non-expansionist Austria and inherited Bavaria, Saxony and Brandenburg.)

But yes... you need high relations at time of ruler death (positive relations at the least are required just to keep the union going). Also high prestige (it needs to be higher than theirs to inherit; positive to keep union going). I'm not sure that infamy matters, other than the fact that high infamy will drive down your prestige and relations.
 

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i'm not sure what all has to do with inheritance not a lot of people know exactly wth is going on with them
 

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You don't want to force PU's, since it kills relations with all you have a RM with. You need to fabricate claims (spy mission on capital), they need a regency and a low legit heir, so it's a bit harder to do than forcing PU's, but it will not kill relations with the country (other then spy discovery).

So aside from the spy missions, you can also use RM to get lucky PU's.
 

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A lot of people are missing the main point of peaceful PU's and they have not been explained yet, so I'll do that!

Peaceful PU's are possible as well! You don't need war to do them. But when this is the case you are basically hoping for the current royal line to die off. So let's say you establish a PU with a Monarch without a heir. You better be feeding that Monarch rat poison because the instant he gets another heir, you lose all hope for that PU and you lose it. All those relations you lost with claiming the throne? You don't get that back either. It's better to just pause the game and declare war to enforce the PU at this point. You have about a month or so from where they get a new heir for the PU to where you actually lose the 'enforce the PU' war casis bella. If you declare war on them during that time, you can still beat them and claim their Kingdom in a PU with your own!
 

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1. Find a medium-power country that's somewhat smaller than yours. For example, Bavaria.

2. Get a royal marriage with them, and avoid marriages with other people for the time being.

3. Wait until they have low legitimacy or a bad heir, and make sure you still have a royal marriage.

4. Fabricate claims with a spy if you can, claim throne if you can't.

5. Attack as soon as possible, claims to thrones have an annoying tendency to be lost rather quickly.

5. Shoot all their guys.

6. Force a personal union in the peace.

7. IMMEDIATELY shower them with gifts and nice treaties! If your monarch dies with relations between your countries still low, the union will end. THIS IS THE WORST POSSIBLE OUTCOME!!!

8. Keep relations between your countries very good, and keep your prestige above zero. Negative prestige on ruler death ends the union. Legitimacy might have some effects too, but I'm not certain.

9. If you have fewer regiments than your 'partner', they will send you insults every month whilst they are at peace, in order to reduce relations and get out of the onion. This is why you must only try to take the thrones of weaker countries.

10. Each time your monarch dies, there is a good chance that you will inherit the lesser country. If you inherit, you win all their provinces instantly.

11. If/when you inherit, you will gain cores on all the core provinces of the former state that are in your culture group. If both of you are in the Empire, you will get the cores anyway, regardless of culture.

12. If you have had a union for 50 years, you can 'integrate' the other country. This is like inheritance, but you never get any cores. This is most useful if you have a union with someone outside your culture group. Otherwise, it's not really worth it.

13. If you have a royal marriage with any country, you can sometimes get lucky and form a union with them by chance, without claiming the throne and going to war.

14. If you are really lucky, you can inherit a country that you have a royal marriage with, without even going through a personal union. This happens for the AI more often than it does for the human. Often this is more of a curse than a blessing though, since the inherited land tends to be miles away from your territory and with a different culture. I inherited Scotland as France once, which was kind of cool since this was back in old Vanilla EU III when inheritance automatically gave you cores regardless of culture. Also, there was no such thing as colonial range and 'fabricate claims' would create a free core, but that's a different story... :)

15. If the union does break, you get a 'restoration of union' CB on the traitors.

16. If you inherit some land you don't want, you could consider giving it to another country or releasing a vassal.

17. Snakes can sometimes be dangerous, especially to young children.

18. If you end up in a union yourself, don't form an alliance with the master, and just insult them until relations are below 0. Player countries cannot be inherited at all, even in multiplayer, so being stuck in a union is largely just an annoyance for you.
12. if you integrate it costs 1 BB per province whereas inheritance is BB free.
 

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Fishman basically said how it works in most of the cases (forcing PUs).

Other thing, when your monarch is close to death (like after he's ruled for 40 years), don't start any wars, as it is nearly impossible to inherit during a war. I would even say it is completely impossible, doesn't help if you're involved in the same war. It may say that you will inherit (hover over your king's name with your mouse, it says there) but when the old bastard dies nothing happens.

I once lead a PU as Ottomans with the Mamluks for over 200 years, beeing a warmonger the inheritance just never happend despite having +200 relations all the time, infamy below 10 and they saw me as highly trustworthy (yeah, trust is also a factor). When my last monarch died and again no inheritence, I integrated them and then RAGEquit :)
 

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A lot of people are missing the main point of peaceful PU's and they have not been explained yet, so I'll do that!

Peaceful PU's are possible as well! You don't need war to do them. But when this is the case you are basically hoping for the current royal line to die off. So let's say you establish a PU with a Monarch without a heir. You better be feeding that Monarch rat poison because the instant he gets another heir, you lose all hope for that PU and you lose it. All those relations you lost with claiming the throne? You don't get that back either. It's better to just pause the game and declare war to enforce the PU at this point. You have about a month or so from where they get a new heir for the PU to where you actually lose the 'enforce the PU' war casis bella. If you declare war on them during that time, you can still beat them and claim their Kingdom in a PU with your own!

I have better luck inheriting nations randomly then waiting for the person to die off and kresaux i inherited 3 nations while i was at war but they were not some damn fine luck there
 

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Fishman basically said how it works in most of the cases (forcing PUs).

Other thing, when your monarch is close to death (like after he's ruled for 40 years), don't start any wars, as it is nearly impossible to inherit during a war. I would even say it is completely impossible, doesn't help if you're involved in the same war. It may say that you will inherit (hover over your king's name with your mouse, it says there) but when the old bastard dies nothing happens.

I once lead a PU as Ottomans with the Mamluks for over 200 years, beeing a warmonger the inheritance just never happend despite having +200 relations all the time, infamy below 10 and they saw me as highly trustworthy (yeah, trust is also a factor). When my last monarch died and again no inheritence, I integrated them and then RAGEquit :)

And then you played whack-a-mole for 50 years?
 
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Well, aside the fact the title is personnel unions... Personnel unions? Rly? It is Persona = Personal Unions... personnel unions would be something like Labour Unions... ROFL...

Anyway, the good thing to do if you want to inherit, is to get good relation and don't start wars... best bring infamy to be like 40 or so - just near your infamy limit - and Then wait infamy to lower. Also - if your PU partner is not in HRE and is not your culture, and you got much place for infamy, you can just integrate him - as you will get his land faster and so, cores on them.
 

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What i don't understand is why you have to please this nation so much when you are the ruler and its basically just your nation with another name i mean Austria did the opposite in real life with the dual monarchy to appease the Hungarians. and Iwanow we seem to be in all the same threads
 

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Well lets say the country has its nobility, and if they don't like you, they will just make their own king...

and i will kill everyone of them
 

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But you also have them swear loyalty to you as you are their new king and if they did break this oath they would be killed