How to unify Germany?

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Hi! i'm currently starting up my second Vic game as prussia, and i'm not too sure how too unify Germany.

Q1: When I choose to attack Denmark for Sleswig/Holstein,do I have to have Sleswig&Holstein as mine, or is it okey to let Hannover take them for me? Does it matter? Cos when I attacked Denmark with my own troops, the where occupied as if Hannover had occupied them. Is this because hannover is the allied of mine which is closest to denmark?

Q2: Is it neccesarry to attack Austria in the question of leadership of Germany? What if i choose not to?

Q3: Is Germany unified just after the peace-settlement with Austria, or are there other tasks and events i have to answer correctly on? If so, which?

Q3: In what year does the leadership of Germany event occur? Is there a preset time?

Q3: Do i have to keep Prussia/Germany as a conservative empire, or is it possible to change it without loosing the unification event? I'm a real idealist, so i'd like to give my people full welfare and rights..thats the curse of beeing socialist and playing games like these...

Svirre.

 

[Barkhauer]

Hi! i'm currently starting up my second Vic game as prussia, and i'm not too sure how too unify Germany.

Q1: When I choose to attack Denmark for Sleswig/Holstein,do I have to have Sleswig&Holstein as mine, or is it okey to let Hannover take them for me? Does it matter? Cos when I attacked Denmark with my own troops, the where occupied as if Hannover had occupied them. Is this because hannover is the allied of mine which is closest to denmark?

Q2: Is it neccesarry to attack Austria in the question of leadership of Germany? What if i choose not to?

Q3: Is Germany unified just after the peace-settlement with Austria, or are there other tasks and events i have to answer correctly on? If so, which?

Q3: In what year does the leadership of Germany event occur? Is there a preset time?

Q3: Do i have to keep Prussia/Germany as a conservative empire, or is it possible to change it without loosing the unification event? I'm a real idealist, so i'd like to give my people full welfare and rights..thats the curse of beeing socialist and playing games like these...

Svirre.

1. You can allow Hannover to have them, you can NOT call on your allies and take the land for yourself, or you can just conquer tham and let them peace out for the 100 prestige. Entirely up to you.

2. You have to fight (and win according to victory score/prestige gain) a war with Austria. This is an abstract way of Prussia demonstrating to all the other German states that they are the new dominant power, and that they (esp southern German states) should no longer be looking to Austria as the leader of the culture.

3. If you are proceding along this particular course (including war with Austria over German leadership) then you will have to control Paris at some time during the year 1870 (there are events to trigger said war, but they do not always occur. Simply declaring war yourself is an option.) to get the Three Hurrays for the German Empire event. This will annex all the other German states (minus Austria.)

4. I'm not certain. Rafiki?

5. Once unified, the world is your playground. If you go too democratic though, Bismarkian Counter-Reforms/-Revolution can undo your changes.

 

[gzav]

1) you have to win that war, but it doesnt matter if Hannover occupies Holstein instead of you.

2)Yes, you have to challenge austria's leadership in 1866 and must win that war.

3)once you win the war in 1866, in 1870, france will get an event where she can declare war against you. Occupy Paris in that war and you'll become Germany and gain the Alsace-Lorraine provinces.

 

[J.J.E.]

Leadership of Germany is 1866 AFAIK.

 

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1. You can allow Hannover to have them, you can NOT call on your allies and take the land for yourself, or you can just conquer tham and let them peace out for the 100 prestige. Entirely up to you.

3. If you are proceding along this particular course (including war with Austria over German leadership) then you will have to control Paris at some time during the year 1870 (there are events to trigger said war, but they do not always occur. Simply declaring war yourself is an option.) to get the Three Hurrays for the German Empire event. This will annex all the other German states (minus Austria.)

I have a question on these two:

1. Crap - so if I asked my allies for help (they didn't do anything - just joined the war) than I am SOL? Also, I made the mistake of accepting the first peace proposal (which game me territory) was this a mistake as well?

3. I think that I read somewhere that if Hungary revolts from Austria(which they have in my current game), it may be included in the united Germany - it's only 1862 in my game, so I haven't gotten there yet.

Thanks in advance for any answers.

Jono

 

[unmerged(16875)]

Actually, you DON'T have to go to war with Austria. Or France, for that matter.

In 1851, if (a) you've gone to war with Denmark in the scripted war, and won AND (b) Prussia and ALL German minors are monarchies or constitutional monarchies, then you will get the Conservative Empire event, forming Germany without the NGF/SGF debacle.

It's the only way I try to unify Germany, and works like a charm. Just keep an eye on the minors -- help them put down their rebels, and everyone should stay monarchy/con monarchy until '51.

 

[Barkhauer]

I have a question on these two:

1. Crap - so if I asked my allies for help (they didn't do anything - just joined the war) than I am SOL? Also, I made the mistake of accepting the first peace proposal (which game me territory) was this a mistake as well?

3. I think that I read somewhere that if Hungary revolts from Austria(which they have in my current game), it may be included in the united Germany - it's only 1862 in my game, so I haven't gotten there yet.

Thanks in advance for any answers.

Jono

1. You're going to get the land in question when you unify anyway. Thus why it's not really a big deal if Hannover gets 2 provinces for 30ish years. They'll just be keeping them warm for you in the long run. My preferred option in more recent Prussia games is to NOT calls in my allies (you're still allowed military access to move through them in this case) and to occupy both provinces of Holstien, then let them have a seperate white peace for 100 prestige, quite useful in the early game. I then grab the fortified southern province from Denmark and call it a win.

3. The event you're speaking of is a democratic unification of Germany. As you have to have all (existing) German states be democracies AND an independent Hungary form via revolt, it's quite nearly impossible to achieve. I've never seen it done (by the AI), and I've only accomplished it once at great pain by intentionally causing war exhaustion of 100% for years at a time.

 

[Barkhauer]

Actually, you DON'T have to go to war with Austria. Or France, for that matter.

In 1851, if (a) you've gone to war with Denmark in the scripted war, and won AND (b) Prussia and ALL German minors are monarchies or constitutional monarchies, then you will get the Conservative Empire event, forming Germany without the NGF/SGF debacle.

It's the only way I try to unify Germany, and works like a charm. Just keep an eye on the minors -- help them put down their rebels, and everyone should stay monarchy/con monarchy until '51.

It sounded like, to this point, he's played through past this point and has gone down the "Three Hurrays" path. I don't think (without a new game) that it's possible for him to do the conservative empire anymore. Thus my advice on taking Paris.

 

[unmerged(16875)]

You may be right - but it may well be worth starting over for him to (a) have an extra 20 years of being Germany, with South German culture and increased productivity and (b) avoid the wars.

 

[unmerged(25703)]

There are some myths about the german unification.

1. Unifying via the "Three Hurrays for the German Empire": Very easy, but later than the other possibilities.
You don't have to go to war against denmark or challenge austria.
All you need to do is control paris during one week after January 15th 1870.(Well, you are not allowed to lose a war against france between January 15th 1970 and the time you control Paris). get MilAccess through Belgium, and march with a strong army to paris. It doesn't matter if France blitzes you, once you have Paris the war is over, you become Germany and get all the minors and Alsace-Lorraine.

2. The popular Unification: It would be possible to get austria into a big-german empire. But unfortunately the event is buggy, so it is impossible(search the bug-forum)

Other possibilities are the Conservative Empire(easy as long as bavaria doesnt become democratic or sth. like that and you also get all the minors), the Proposal of the Frankfurt Assembly(if you just want to have the name, your profit is rather bad) in 1848, and the Zollverein(I have never seen this, but according to the eventfile its worse than the frankfurt assembly).

 

[unmerged(24196)]

What happens if you annex all the German Minors, take Alsace-Lorraine, annex Denmark, and have a sucessful war against Austria with out having any events trigger first? I like to annex the German minors through military conquest.

 

[Darkrenown]

If you do it before 1851 then the conservitive empire will trigger and you will be germany.

 

[Darkrenown]

2. The popular Unification: It would be possible to get austria into a big-german empire. But unfortunately the event is buggy, so it is impossible(search the bug-forum)

That's not true, the event works.

 

[unmerged(25703)]

That's not true, the event works.

Once I tested it with 1.02, it did not work. Are you sure it works in 1.03?
Or is it just about having both NGF, SGF and the other minors at the same time is in fact possible?

 

[Darkrenown]

Well barkhauer has done it, and I remember there was a big thread about it not working and several people said they'd done it. One guy posted a screen of his popular unifcation (including Austria IIRC). So it can be done.

 

[unmerged(16875)]

Question: if I wanted to play a popular unification Germany, could I (a) start a new game, (b) change Austria to a minor in the save game, taking it off of the start-up menu, (c) load Austria, allow Hungary to split, (d) go democratic myself, (e) save game, reload as Germany, (f) go democratic as Germany, and them...voila?!

 

[Barkhauer]

It can be done. This does not mean that you can do it easily, necessarily. I had to restart my game several times, and I eventually ended up doing it only by annexing any Germans who weren't democratic, and by having a never-ending war with Austria in order to force revolts and create a safe environment for Hungary to form. In hindsight, I could have annexed Hungarian lands and released them as a satellite, but you still have to create conditions which result in many Austrian and German minor democracies.

 

[unmerged(25703)]

You can also buy one cheap province in czechoslovakia and release them as hungary, so no need for a war against austria. I tried it once, annexed all the minors and re-released them as good democracies, but the event did not fire. I played around with the eventfile a little bit, and decided it is buggy.
Maybe NOT = { constitution = { country = SGF type = monarchy } } returns a random value?
Or did you have NGF and SGF along with the other minors(If that is possible, it is really hard and a silly way)?
What patch/language did you use?

 

[Barkhauer]

You can also buy one cheap province in czechoslovakia and release them as hungary, so no need for a war against austria. I tried it once, annexed all the minors and re-released them as good democracies, but the event did not fire. I played around with the eventfile a little bit, and decided it is buggy.
Maybe NOT = { constitution = { country = SGF type = monarchy } } returns a random value?
Or did you have NGF and SGF along with the other minors(If that is possible, it is really hard and a silly way)?
What patch/language did you use?

It was under 1.02, I can tell you that much.

I just dug through my files, I don't have it as a save game or old autosave or anything, alas. I'm 99.9% certain that NGF/SGF did not exist. I set out from day 1 to force austria democratic via war exhaustion causing revolting pops, which meant something out of 1984 with the neverending wars and all. This was, needless to say, stupidly difficult given how many turbo-spawning 10,000-man partisan troops 'o doom they had. Strategy First North American version (may they burn in hell forever.) It was so hard to do, that once I'd accomplished it, I did a little dance, then surrendered the game (which I considered "won" with that achievement) and never, ever tried again.

 

[Darkrenown]

Question: if I wanted to play a popular unification Germany, could I (a) start a new game, (b) change Austria to a minor in the save game, taking it off of the start-up menu, (c) load Austria, allow Hungary to split, (d) go democratic myself, (e) save game, reload as Germany, (f) go democratic as Germany, and them...voila?!

You could start with that, but a quicker way to change country would be to just go to the MP screen, change you computer's name and go back to the load screen and pick the new country.

Then you would have to wait untill the right date (1850 I think)and make sure all the german minors were either annexed or democratic.

Hmm, won't a Prussia trying for popular unification be hit by the bismarck coup?