Your code doesn't seem to prevent the Lombards from conquering in Africa
How to stop French from conquering Africa?
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The Aquitanians hold Majorca in 867, which I guess, triggers the holy wars for Africa.
I think the situation would be much better if holy wars were limited to bordering realms and regions where you hold land.
I think the situation would be much better if holy wars were limited to bordering realms and regions where you hold land.
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No part of Catholic Europe is two sea zones away from the Holy Land.
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I think its so France and Britanny can Holy War for Spain Actually. To try and help the Umayyads collapse.
I'd be concerned with North Africa but Historically the Italians did try to conquer Africa, mostly Sicily. They just werent very successful.
I'd be concerned with North Africa but Historically the Italians did try to conquer Africa, mostly Sicily. They just werent very successful.
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The problem is that A) North Africa is underpowered and B) its far too easy for someone to control land that lies across the Mediterranean from their power base (and is filled with heathen foreigners that should be rioting non-stop).
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You have sources on this? I know the HRE tried to grab some coastal cities in Tunis during the 1500s, but never heard about italians doing so.
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The Kings of Sicily Invaded Africa and made some semi-major attempts to take the North African Coast.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Africa
The Almohads kicked them out so it was relatively short lived.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Africa
The Almohads kicked them out so it was relatively short lived.
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It occurred to me that it might also be for the sake of Denmark and Sweden, making their Baltic holy wars a little more convenient.
I think a lot of the problem is just that in CK2, boats work ahistorically well (basically no attrition is not realistic for this period) and the European kings have way too many ships. There's a reason that for the early crusades they either walked (all the way across Europe and Anatolia) or hired ships from the merchant republics. They didn't have enough boats to carry an army. Non-merchant, non-Scandanavian Christians probably shouldn't be getting enough ships to do anything significant until the 12th or 13th century.
That said France did try to conquer Tunis in the Eighth Crusade under "saint" Louis IX. It was probably a bad idea and wouldn't have worked even if the French king had been a more competent commander and didn't die of dysentery during the siege but still they tried it in 1270 so it shouldn't be impossible in game for France to conquer North Africa.
That said France did try to conquer Tunis in the Eighth Crusade under "saint" Louis IX. It was probably a bad idea and wouldn't have worked even if the French king had been a more competent commander and didn't die of dysentery during the siege but still they tried it in 1270 so it shouldn't be impossible in game for France to conquer North Africa.
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Yeah I don't know why this is happening again. I remember the times of the HRE/republics conquering North Africa and Andalusia but I thought those were over.
Doesn't seem as bad as it used to be back then though, at least in 1066. Or maybe it's because I've nerfed holy orders in my game.
Doesn't seem as bad as it used to be back then though, at least in 1066. Or maybe it's because I've nerfed holy orders in my game.
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works as intended
Christian rulers crossed the seas and continents for Crusades, in 1073 there were still Christians despite the centuries earlier Muslim conquest, the Archbishop of Carthage was called Cyriacus, and today there are circa 100k still left.
If one would change this to be impossible, you couldn't have Crusader Kings traveling from Sicily, Hungary, HRE, France, England, etc to invade infidel territories, which is the core idea and goal for CK2.
But Crusades are their own CB (Great Holy War) and not a regular holy war. I think only the pope should be able to call for crusades accross the sea and the regular Holy War CB should be limited to bordering provinces - as it was pre-Conclave, wasn't it?
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I used the term 'Crusade' to define Christian holy wars, which may be initiated by a ruler and not the Pope, but would still be called a crusade, unless openly opposed by the Pope, as in case of the above mentioned France's Eighth Crusade and Hungary's Bosnian Crusade
Yes, and while in my games, I see Lombardy (or Italy, if the Lombards fall) conquer North Africa fairly regularly, or try to, I'm not sure I've ever seen the French do it. And I'm OK with that.
True, but Africa quickly turning into Italian/Lombard culture is not but I guess that's just game mechanics.
Also in history in earlier start dates most of the time usually the Muslims were the attackers, like Aghlabids taking Sicily and so on. Currently it's impossible for AI so I wish it was more 50-50.
As mentioned, Italian and even French attacks, especially in the later centuries (13th and on) were not infrequent thus the CB should be allowed, but perhaps it would be good if that would be possible only with advanced shipbuilding/navigation.
OTOH, it would defeat the idea/intention to make the French help the North Spanish kings in their fight against Umayyads.
Perhaps adding a sea zone between Mallorca and the coast of North Africa could help?
OTOH, it would defeat the idea/intention to make the French help the North Spanish kings in their fight against Umayyads.
Perhaps adding a sea zone between Mallorca and the coast of North Africa could help?
Yup. Thanks for correctiing me.
that's because Libya is an extreme case of what I mentioned earlier. It doesn't even have a single inland province despite having quite important centers in the Fezzan, which was used to retreat and regroup for counter attack, which has always come.
Pisa and Genoa did conquer Tunis in 1087, although they didn't hold on to it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdia_campaign_of_1087
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No, the same rule applied pre-Conclave as well. Muslims are speshul. And as-is, only heads of religion can call for crusades/jihads/GHWs anyway (though Catholic secular rulers can ask for them).
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Has anyone tried the new options that slow down religious conversion rates and culture conversion restriction? I'm definitely going to do that in my next game.
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