How fast can you guys do it now? I just gave it a try, and it looks like they got rid of a lot of things that used to give lots of IA. What should I do now? It's just very boring to wait for the IA counter to tick...
How to revoke privilegia quickly as Austria?? (1.30.3)
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- Get 3rd reform done by whatever means necessary.
- Punch big countries neighbouring the HRE. Force them to cough up some small countries that will neighbour the HRE (or small countries that will neighbour small countries that wil neighbour the HRE - you get the idea).
- Attack small countries neighbouring the HRE with the "Expand Empire" CB, enforce demands in peace treaty.
I couldn't even get the 3rd reform by the time the Protestant Reformation hit...Maybe I was just unlucky?
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I revoked as Burgundy and Hungary -- I think pre 1500 as Burgundy and 1510s as Hungary here
This strategy can be applied to Austria as well, although it might be a bit slower since you have to rush to lose emperorship, but I can totally see a ~1520s revoke using this strat.
I also have another strat that I'm working on that is less RNG dependent, and I think that can be done as Austria pre 1500, maybe a bit earlier depending on Poland/Lithuania/Moldavia situation (ideally you want independent Lithuania that's not allied to Poland, which is very rare, and a Moldavia that's independent but guaranteed by Poland). That one's a bit hard to explain and very difficult to execute (still some unknowns while I workthrough it), but I'm currently working through an Oirat pre-1490 revoke (I estimate 1485-ish).
This strategy can be applied to Austria as well, although it might be a bit slower since you have to rush to lose emperorship, but I can totally see a ~1520s revoke using this strat.
I also have another strat that I'm working on that is less RNG dependent, and I think that can be done as Austria pre 1500, maybe a bit earlier depending on Poland/Lithuania/Moldavia situation (ideally you want independent Lithuania that's not allied to Poland, which is very rare, and a Moldavia that's independent but guaranteed by Poland). That one's a bit hard to explain and very difficult to execute (still some unknowns while I workthrough it), but I'm currently working through an Oirat pre-1490 revoke (I estimate 1485-ish).
Man, I could not understand your Reddit post at all. It's way too advanced for me, buddy ;P
the idea is to let AI emperor do most of the reforms. You can give them a bunch of IA given enough relations by repeatedly joining -> removing a province -- you just have to make sure your capital is not going to join the hre by say, surrounding it with vassals
Why do something so gamey and unrealistic though? That would bore the hell out of me really quick.
Your question was how to revoke without waiting for the IA counter, and I provided you how. I'm not sure what sort of answers you were even expecting if you didn't want "gamey" or "unrealistic" ways to fast revoke.
As for your question, it's because I've played this game long enough to know most of the flavour it offers and therefore stopped enjoying the "roleplaying" aspect of it. Nowadays, I mostly treat this game like a strategy game and get enjoyment out that way.
Also,
Pick one.
As for your question, it's because I've played this game long enough to know most of the flavour it offers and therefore stopped enjoying the "roleplaying" aspect of it. Nowadays, I mostly treat this game like a strategy game and get enjoyment out that way.
Also,
Pick one.
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How about neither? Where's the challenge when you use borderline exploits to totally circumvent what's intended for the players to overcome?
It's like someone asked you how to play cards well, and then you're like, "oh, it's easy, just have a hidden card up your sleeve and make sure nobody sees it."
It's like someone asked you how to play cards well, and then you're like, "oh, it's easy, just have a hidden card up your sleeve and make sure nobody sees it."
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That analogy would work better with using the console = cheating. Counting cards in Blackjack would be more like his suggestion.
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I think we've derailed from whatever initial motivation you had from this post, but I'd like to just defend the following accusation, and then I'll drop this since I don't see this being productive:
First, I want to mention that I find discovering these "borderline exploits," making practical use out of them, and developing/expanding on them to be very fun... In fact that's one of my favorite things about EU4; there are many variables and connected features that creativity feels more rewarded than the average strategy game. Sadly, I denied you this opportunity by simply telling you how it's done, but you have to understand that at least for me, even the mere act of theory crafting this strategy was in itself a challenge (and also fun).
Next, you seem to think that executing this fast revoke strategy is trivial -- I don't know your skill level, but from our very brief discussion I'm inclined to believe you aren't a very experienced player, and I'm pretty sure you'd find a great deal of challenge replicating what I've done even with a bunch of savescums. In that particular Burgundy post, I've intentionally lost my PUs + Nevers + some of my starting provinces to lower my total dev for join HRE spam and still beat England and France. I also expand empired most of Italy + France + Iberia + Scandinavia + Balkans within maybe 20 years (including a couple trucebreaks) so I can get enough IA to revoke (since AIs always seem to go decentralization, I have to get the last few reforms by myself). So lots of AE management and war micro. There are still lots of challenges to overcome.
First, I want to mention that I find discovering these "borderline exploits," making practical use out of them, and developing/expanding on them to be very fun... In fact that's one of my favorite things about EU4; there are many variables and connected features that creativity feels more rewarded than the average strategy game. Sadly, I denied you this opportunity by simply telling you how it's done, but you have to understand that at least for me, even the mere act of theory crafting this strategy was in itself a challenge (and also fun).
Next, you seem to think that executing this fast revoke strategy is trivial -- I don't know your skill level, but from our very brief discussion I'm inclined to believe you aren't a very experienced player, and I'm pretty sure you'd find a great deal of challenge replicating what I've done even with a bunch of savescums. In that particular Burgundy post, I've intentionally lost my PUs + Nevers + some of my starting provinces to lower my total dev for join HRE spam and still beat England and France. I also expand empired most of Italy + France + Iberia + Scandinavia + Balkans within maybe 20 years (including a couple trucebreaks) so I can get enough IA to revoke (since AIs always seem to go decentralization, I have to get the last few reforms by myself). So lots of AE management and war micro. There are still lots of challenges to overcome.
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Why even ask for opinions if all you have to retort is “gamey” and “I’m so bored” in response, followed by “neither”? Kudos to those who even bothered to continue answering you after your sorry show of reasoning (or lack thereof).
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You wrote an entire text wall for this little thing? LoL Who cares what you think? You love using cheese? Go right ahead. None for me, please.
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Does forcing non-HRE countries that hold HRE provinces give them back to HRE countries give you IA? For example, Venice holds two Milan cores. If I fight Venice and force them to give the cores to Milan, do I get IA?
In the latest patches, countries seem very reluctant to join the HRE and the only major source of IA in the first little while are the Imperial incidents and the Emperor dies event. When the Reformation kicks, my passive IA goes below zero very quickly (as Austria). I'm considering starting a new game and taking religious ideas early to get the Deus Vult CB to just force convert the dozens of German minors to Catholic...
In the latest patches, countries seem very reluctant to join the HRE and the only major source of IA in the first little while are the Imperial incidents and the Emperor dies event. When the Reformation kicks, my passive IA goes below zero very quickly (as Austria). I'm considering starting a new game and taking religious ideas early to get the Deus Vult CB to just force convert the dozens of German minors to Catholic...
Yeah I took Religious this time around so it should be easier to get CBs and do this. I've also found, as Austria, that it's best to expand in non-HRE provinces to avoid pissing everyone off.