FTs were used by France at the beginning of the war, by the Vichy French in Africa, and by the Germans in Western Europe.
How to remove obsolete equipment from inventory?
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Yes, and it is seen as a clear sign of the issues of France before the war.
It was slow, underarmed, underarmored and if employed in a battlefield, it would be a very elaborate way of committing suicide
Yeah, i would. I'll happily use interwar planes in Africa and southeast Asia. Also, you can lend them to other countries and get XP for them. That's a reasonable and historically accurate use for outdated equipment - the major powers did not retrofit biplanes into B-52s after all.
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Actually it is less lend and more sell or even scrap. While a lot of interwar planes were retained, they weren't retained for front line use, or were used in placed where their handicaps were less importan, Recee, night fighters, CAS, etc.
But the problem, right now is that if you have enough obsolete planes, you get a pop up warning you about it, as if prodding you to create new wings..
I think that reminder is intended to make sure you don't keep producing old models you don't need more of, not to hint at some now-removed feature of refitting old planes.
Just to throw up the idea...
Use your modern planes on the front lines (Air Sup) or whatevr.
Use your old planes behind them in interception mode.
The idea being, you'll be intercepting bombers, so you won't need top of the line units, which you'd rather use to bleed out the enemy in a dogfight. If that makes sense.
Use your modern planes on the front lines (Air Sup) or whatevr.
Use your old planes behind them in interception mode.
The idea being, you'll be intercepting bombers, so you won't need top of the line units, which you'd rather use to bleed out the enemy in a dogfight. If that makes sense.
The reminder itself is unclear, but rather than refit seems to aim towards using those stockpiles, it appeared well after I had been building the replacement model for a while.
As for reffitting, it would be interesting, to a point, some things in those planes could be changed with minimal fuss (machine guns, maybe avionics, maybe engine), but I can live without a refit button (except on ships, there it is sorely missed)
So you would prefer the 3 man to a rifle approach? This is not sarcasm, but literally what we are talking about. That old stuff only gets issued if you run out of anything newer entirely.
Personally, I'd rather that 2/3 of my desperation division fielded in an emergency had old guns rather than no guns at all.
Speaking of old equipment...
I got some really old planes from Austria and possibly Czechoslovakia after the national focus events. Those planes just sit in my reserve and I couldn't even land lease them to other country. Has anybody else encounter this problem?
I got some really old planes from Austria and possibly Czechoslovakia after the national focus events. Those planes just sit in my reserve and I couldn't even land lease them to other country. Has anybody else encounter this problem?
one thing is a rifle another is a tank or a plane. If you are having to issue Panzer Is in 1944, facing with comparatively modern armor, you are probably irreversibly screwed, and dragging it on will only cost the lives of your soldiers and citizens.
Because, game mechanics aside, a division of panzer I should be able to do jack and shit to a Sherman, a Lee or even a basic T-34 from any angle (with the possible exception of the top, but where are you going to get a Tank Trebuchet?)
Of course, there are a couple of things the game doesn't seem to simulate with gear.
First: equipment should be worn and rendered useless even in peace time, if at a reduced rate, and that should be a drain on your productions (keep in mind that things like planes have a life expectancy)
Second: continuous storage could ruin parts of the equipment due to the elements (honestly, while you could store rifles in grease(?) or some such, tanks and planes need a lot of space to be stored and generally meant being at mercy of the elements or in huge storage spaces) so there should be a vegetative decrease of tanks, planes and canons in storage due to this.
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It would be nice if you could convert the Interwar-Fighter into Ground Attack role which is what most of those bi-plane fighters in the 30s were mostly relegated to while still being used. It's either that or they were sold to foreign countries, became museum pieces, or scrapped.
A better solution I believe is the ability to market the old stuff and trade civilian factories for it. This way you get a boost for a finished product without having to wait until war happens. Of course, this means some of the infantry items like tanks or motorized requires that nation to have researched the tech.
A better solution I believe is the ability to market the old stuff and trade civilian factories for it. This way you get a boost for a finished product without having to wait until war happens. Of course, this means some of the infantry items like tanks or motorized requires that nation to have researched the tech.
obsolete equipment should have a scrap option to be able to use it for steel rubber etc.
Another way would be if scrape the barrel recruitment option is used you have the ability you use the equipment to rapidly deploy untrained poorly equipped militia units.
Another way would be if scrape the barrel recruitment option is used you have the ability you use the equipment to rapidly deploy untrained poorly equipped militia units.
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It's my understanding that you can only lend-lease items that you have produced yourself, not looted/captured items.
I agree that there should be an option to scrap/refit/whatever outdated planes/tanks/etc., but never say "no one is going to do x", because there is always the russians: They used I-152 and I-15 planes even in 1943 and 1944.
I-152 and I-15 are biplanes.
It would certainly be unrealistic. Imagine land-leasing equipment from the Soviet days to third world countries... would be odd that...
But it still is an armored MG post that can move, so it may support infantry perfectly well. Tank is not neccesairly used as counter to enemy tanks - actually, most often it wasn't.
Old tanks were usually used to:
-provide armored towers for fortifications,
-provide tracked hulls for TD, SPAA, SPART, gun tractors, and some other uses
-in police duties, especially in conquered territories, as partisans often lacked any anti-tank weapons except granades and molotovs
So it would be nice if you could convert tanks to support vehicles and maybe use them to get some cost reduction in fortification building.
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What do you think the US and USSR did with all their WW2 stuff and into the cold war? Gifting old crap to poor countries has been how great powers got rid of obsolete stock for 70+ years.
Problem is that a Panzer I would tie resources (spares, mechanics, crew) that would be better off in a more modern vehicle. So, while I can see obsolete gear used in second line, suppression and the like, using it in the front lines? nope, nope and nope
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Another way obsolete items could be used is for accelerated training of new units. eg live fire targets and training vehicles.
HOI4 doesn't simulate fuel or spare parts, so there is no downside to putting vehicles on the field, except maybe if you don't have the supplies for them. Old tanks are better than no tanks at all. They still do damage, they still provide armour protection for your divisions, and they still move fast. If I was a WWII grunt, I'd rather have interwar tanks, guns, and aircraft for support than no support at all.
Either way, obsolete vehicles fighting alongside newer ones is actually perfectly historical. There were Panzer Is participating in the invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941.
You already can. Form such divisions and deploy them at 20% training. Voila, rapidly trained militias with vintage gear. Enjoy.
If you still have a large number of Panzer Is lying around by 1944 you've essentially produced way too many of them, and/or not used them enough, which are different topics entirely
. Simple solutions: build fewer Panzer Is at game start.
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