I edited in defines.lua the cost of creating an antipope from 500 to 500000 prestige. I'm not sure yet, but maybe this will help.
Well I definately can not create my own antipop. Hopefully the AI won't be able either.
how to get rid of another kings anti-Pope
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I edited in defines.lua the cost of creating an antipope from 500 to 500000 prestige. I'm not sure yet, but maybe this will help.
Well I definately can not create my own antipop. Hopefully the AI won't be able either.
One-off anti-popes would be a mistake. Anti-popes did often succeed one another. Rather, the original pope should instead grant a claim on the anti-pope's supporter (basically making him an antiking). Upon victory, the anti-pope would disappear.
yes, but the problem is these anti popes are appearing out of no where
it should start in a disputed election of a pope! so paradox made a big mistake not doing such a thing as well, it would have been such a huge potention with the new papal elections
Anti-popes didn't necessarily come out of a disputed election. Some arose simply out of a power play by monarchs.
This and the '250k piety popes-bug' seem to be the two most pressing issues with the DLC. I hope they'll bring out a hotfix for them soonish.
Is being able to create an anti-pope as a Fraticelli - even though the Fraticelli Papacy hasn't been instituted yet - a bug a wad, btw?
yes, AT an election of a new pope, the anti pope can just come up whenever in this game
I think they should have had it, if you put a certain amount of money in the papal election maybe but still lost, i dont know have it make an anti pope if you wish to dispute the election
I don't recall any new anti pope lines comeing to being from a time other than the election of a new pope
What I am complaining about is popes appearing at times not even close to an election
please point to me the popes which were simply out of power play of monarchs not even at the times of an election, since in this game the anti pope has nothign to do with the election of a pope but rather just clicking a button for money
I don't know why, but I did the same exact change and my game crashes when I load it.
Does yours work? Did you change it to 50.000? I tried 500.000 first, then 90.000. Both crashed.
Hmmm I was gonna start a game as a Catholic ruler but after reading about all these bugs I dont know if I want to.
The thing I've read about that annoys me the most is that if you create an anti-pope, you are stuck with him unless you revoke his title. If you take over Rome, you should be able to install him as Pope just like pre-SoA. This whole thing where your anti-pope takes over as Pope & you get a NEW anti-pope is incredibly dumb. I cant believe thats WAD. If it is its stupid, plain & simple.
The thing I've read about that annoys me the most is that if you create an anti-pope, you are stuck with him unless you revoke his title. If you take over Rome, you should be able to install him as Pope just like pre-SoA. This whole thing where your anti-pope takes over as Pope & you get a NEW anti-pope is incredibly dumb. I cant believe thats WAD. If it is its stupid, plain & simple.
Same with me... Yesterday I was wavering between starting a Muslim game or a Catholic one. After reading this I'm very glad to have chosen the Muslims. Though no doubt a hotfix will be issued shortly - the matter seems to merit one.
Now this is getting aggravating,
So i end up loading as the king of france declaring war on the current pope surrender (gets rid of antipope) reload back as England only to have the king of France make a new anti pope three months later... There has to be an easier way to handle this anti pope mess.
So i end up loading as the king of france declaring war on the current pope surrender (gets rid of antipope) reload back as England only to have the king of France make a new anti pope three months later... There has to be an easier way to handle this anti pope mess.
No, I changed it to "500000" without quotes.
Did you use Windows Notepad? I had the same problem yesterday after editing something else. Make sure to check that the encoding is ANSI not UTF-8 (look in "Save as.."). That fixed the crash for me.
I don't think antipapacies should end when one antipope dies. If people thought X was the legitimate pope, they wouldn't just switch over to his competitor (the imposter in their eyes) when he died, they'd have a a new election.
What would be really cool is if rulers of third nations could choose to declare for the antipope when one is created, but remain Catholic, sort of like how Orthodoxy handles multiple religious heads, except "loyalist" Catholics should get a CB to remove the antipope. Antipapacies should obviously end when the claim is pressed, but maybe there could also be a decision for the antipope's patron to end it (that the AI would enact either with improved relations with Rome or to avoid the threat of other nations overwhelmingly supporting the real pope).
What would be really cool is if rulers of third nations could choose to declare for the antipope when one is created, but remain Catholic, sort of like how Orthodoxy handles multiple religious heads, except "loyalist" Catholics should get a CB to remove the antipope. Antipapacies should obviously end when the claim is pressed, but maybe there could also be a decision for the antipope's patron to end it (that the AI would enact either with improved relations with Rome or to avoid the threat of other nations overwhelmingly supporting the real pope).
Vassals of a liege who creates an Antipope shouldn't be forced to have the Antipope as head of religion though. They should be able to declare for the official Pope.
Except during the Great Western Schism, this is generally what did occur. Antipapacies were never profound theological disputes, but conflicts over the individual at the head of the church, and nobody tried to deny the prelates' right to elect the Pope. Replacing an Antipope meant herding together enough cardinals to make it look legitimate, and since the Antipope's sponsor didn't usually keep enough cardinals to hand, this took time.
Maybe a way of modeling this would be to do two things:
(1) Make Antipapacies not be passed upon their death
(2) Make a requirement for creating an Antipope be having control of a cardinal
You could have the 2nd, 3rd, and 4 place runner ups of the Papal election gain a claim against the Papacy. You can then try to get one of them to come to your court if he isn't already and set him up as the anti-pope. This way it still makes investing into Papacy race worthwhile even if your chosen Pope doesn't get elected.
When your anti-pope dies another person in your realm with a claim on the Papacy takes over. If there is none, the Anti-Pope title dies out since their are no other people to legitimately claim they should be Pope in your realm.
When your anti-pope dies another person in your realm with a claim on the Papacy takes over. If there is none, the Anti-Pope title dies out since their are no other people to legitimately claim they should be Pope in your realm.
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The thing is, with the mechanics of the Catholic Church extremely simplified, even after the DLC, there's just no way to make that work right. You'd have to invest in a lot of cardinals, hope that they vote for someone in your realm, then press that person's claim. It would make the antipope mechanic nearly nonexistent. I do support the antipope requiring the possession of a cardinal to be created, but any more would be overly difficult for players and impossible for the AI.
And yeah, antipopes shouldn't succeed each other. Except for the Great Western Schism, successive antipopes came from a single ruler with an ongoing dispute against the pope. Henry IV, Henry V, and Frederick I all kept choosing their own pope, but in several cases they waited months between them, just in case the absence of an antipope would bring the pope to the bargaining table. Automatically elected antipopes, as if a papacy-in-exile, would make a mechanic out of the exception and not the rule.