How to get republican tradition?

[A Suitable Boy]

I am playing a republic (Tuscany) and the republican tradition just keeps plummeting. I re-elect rulers (seems historical) but then it just keeps dropping. Is there any way to get out of this? Some kind of advisor perhaps?
Or am I doomed to have my republic collapse or havning to elect new rulers each time there is an election?
It seems a bit unbalanced, or have I missed anything?

 

[neondt]

If you re-elect your ruler every time, yes your republic is going to collapse. No way around that. Which is also historical, for Tuscany.

But generally playing a republic involves balancing the re-election of good rulers for monarch points and choosing new rulers for rep. tradition.

 

[Arjik]

There are events that give you Tradition, but they are somewhat rare and usually start to appear when your tradition is low already. Short answer - no, you can't re-elect rulers and keep tradition high. Longer answer - you can, but it will cost you in terms of ideas and active policies, so it could be counterproductive in some cases. Everything seems balanced enough - you get average ruler with above average ability in YOUR field of choice, not random one, but the price is low abilities in others. It usually is okay to re-elect once in a while, but constantly re-electing will get you into Monarchy quite quickly. The only exception is Dutch Republic, but it's a special case. See the Wiki for precise information, there's quite a lot of info to know.

 

[User4035]

Each ruler gets 6 monarch points so you wont fall behind.

You also need to consider their age when you re-elect. If they in late 50's then they will probably die and you will have an early election.

A benefit of new leaders is a constant supply of new generals.

When should you re-elect? When your tradition is close to 100. When your leader age is less than 50.

Also, if your ahead in technology or on par then you don't really need better leaders. Fall behind 1-2 techs, then re-elect and you can catch up fast.

 

[lymond]

I just recently posted a thread on this asking questions about RT and got some good advice. It's going quite nicely now in my Venice game.

Two important bits of advice I got 1) re-elect young doges 2) just keep RT above ...say..40

It's actually worked quite well and using this approach my RT has actually stayed in the 60 to 70 range while getting super rulers. After posting the thread, I got a 34 year old Doge. I re-elected him up to a 6-6-6 ruler and he lived a long time. Once you drop below 50 you will get some RT events to get like +20 or so, so that helps too plus RT always goes up each year.

With older guys, make them generals and don't re-elect them. Bouncing between the younger and older doges and your RT will stay in a more than appropriate range. RT will likely never be close to 100 nor is there an issue with that. You will be swimming in Monarch points.

In some ways its kinda like monarchs in that you get bad and good rulers, except with Republics you never get really really bad rulers and can often work your way to super rulers, which are hard to come by regardless. Plus no stab this. The nice thing is that you basically control all this.

 

[A Suitable Boy]

Tnx för all the advise. Perhaps I was too quick to call it un-historical (I thought of hte Medicis... and their long run in the office).
But... here are no advisors for RT then? And no ideas to go for to get some +RT?

 

[zdlugasz]

Tnx för all the advise. Perhaps I was too quick to call it un-historical (I thought of hte Medicis... and their long run in the office).
But... here are no advisors for RT then? And no ideas to go for to get some +RT?

only national (for other nations). Some countries (Venice for sure) can get modifier which increase their yearly RT growth

 

[moyang]

With older guys, make them generals and don't re-elect them.

I believe you lose stab if your ruler dies as general, even with republics. Every government in fact.

Tnx för all the advise. Perhaps I was too quick to call it un-historical (I thought of hte Medicis... and their long run in the office).
But... here are no advisors for RT then? And no ideas to go for to get some +RT?

No advisors.
Some nations have yearly RT bonus with NI and Venice gets a event, but there's no ideas that gives RT bonus.
There's some +RT policy but MP cost doesn't justify that small bonus.

You get RT bonus from power projection, this is quite good to have.

 

[birincikalite]

Yeah, I think with republics in early game , it's worth getting yourself easy rivals, and then humiliating them. And then enjoy the high PP for a long time. Not having the bonuses of legitimacy is a disadvantage, but PP is more useful with republics.

 

[Illianor123]

Novgorod and USA have +RT in their ideas. Some others as well.

 

[waypin]

In my current Wallachia game, I flipped into an Oligarchic Republic with the help of some Revolutionary Rebels. I usually try to keep my RT above 40. I had a good run of about 75 years, then I dipped down to 38 or so when I got the 'lose 2 RT for 3 mercantilism' event option. Of course, the Rise of a Despot event triggers soon after and I get bumped to a Despotism (unlucky). Then I pass up a 100 tradition general to get my RT back up to 49, again via event option (grr). Then... obviously my Dictator dies right away before I can get my RT back over 50, and I'm kicked into a Monarchy. Rage.

The lesson, as always... Wallachia is hard.

 

[Knut Skallagrim]

As far as i remember ireland and siena have a +0,5 rep tradition/year modifier among their ideas too

 

[moyang]

Yeah, I think with republics in early game , it's worth getting yourself easy rivals, and then humiliating them. And then enjoy the high PP for a long time. Not having the bonuses of legitimacy is a disadvantage, but PP is more useful with republics.

I love to declare war on rival's ally then humiliating with separate peace. (only in early game)

As far as i remember ireland and siena have a +0,5 rep tradition/year modifier among their ideas too

Looks like Ireland lost RT bonus: http://www.eu4wiki.com/Government#Republics

 

[Arjik]

The Wiki http://www.eu4wiki.com/Government has your answer. Countries that get +0.5 bonus tradition from national ideas: Hamburg, Novgorod, any Colonial Nation, America (USA), Canada and Generic Italian minors. Policies from Diplomatic-Aristocratic and Plutocratic-Economic Ideas both give +0.2 tradition yearly. That's all.

 

[RobRoy3]

Yeah. The Irish lost their boost to Republican Tradition. Generic Italians, like Sienna are still good, as is Novgorod, or Hamburg (release from Hansa). The policy is just too expensive in Monarch points to bother with, but the Power Projection boost (50+) is something you really should target.

A new long shot is one of the Seven Cities quests. It's probably the toughest quest to achieve, since it's only available in Patagonia, and the boost is pretty modest, but if you're a Republic doing Conquistador quests, you might as well start in Patagonia (the odds of subsequent quests decrease for each quest you're already accomplished).

 

[josh127]

I pretty much take all events that give me back RT as well. I don't try to keep RT near 100, I keep it above 40 and maximize my monarch points. I'll re-elect until a leader is 70. Losing a leader in his 50s or 60s doesn't offset the gains I could have had from 4 years of a 2/2/5. That's 4 years of 3 more points that got wasted while I waited for a young ruler. I used to do that though, until I realized how silly I was being.

As you approach 40 there's an event that gives +20 RT for the cost of a stab. That's pretty much necessary to take. Also, I avoid Noble Republic because it takes too long for me to re-elect, and my rulers die without getting me the MP I want.

Two important bits of advice I got 1) re-elect young doges 2) just keep RT above ...say..40

40 is not an arbitrary number, if you fall below you get the Republican Dictatorship, so you keep it above 40 at all times.

I believe you lose stab if your ruler dies as general, even with republics. Every government in fact.

If he's leading an army. You can make him a general and not put him on an army though.

 

[slv]

Losing a leader in his 50s or 60s doesn't offset the gains I could have had from 4 years of a 2/2/5. That's 4 years of 3 more points that got wasted while I waited for a young ruler. I used to do that though, until I realized how silly I was being.

You don't have a lot of gains from a 225 ruler anyway. One term of 225 ruler is 3 points per month for 4 years. One term of 666 ruler is 12 points for the length of term. Every reelection past the first one gives more and more MP. It's totally worth it to reelect 666 70-year old guy. Even if he dies midterm he gives you a lot of points. If your reptrad is under 60 (and it should be under 60) you will not lose any MP from waiting. You will just get them a bit later. Somewhat bad because it gives you less ability to snowball, but still worth it in the long term.

Don't worry to fall under dictatorship if you have a good ruler. Dictatorship gives you quite good events, and it's actually easy to pick +reptrad options from all of them and get back to being a republic. And during this time you have an insane MP because your ruler is 644+. Chances for failing into a dictatorship is not that big if you're over 30 anyway.

 

[josh127]

You don't have a lot of gains from a 225 ruler anyway. One term of 225 ruler is 3 points per month for 4 years. One term of 666 ruler is 12 points for the length of term. Every reelection past the first one gives more and more MP. It's totally worth it to reelect 666 70-year old guy. Even if he dies midterm he gives you a lot of points. If your reptrad is under 60 (and it should be under 60) you will not lose any MP from waiting. You will just get them a bit later. Somewhat bad because it gives you less ability to snowball, but still worth it in the long term.

My fear was always that my ruler is going to die because he's old, and by old I mainly mean over 50 in this game so I'd cycle rulers only to get 4-5 50+ rulers in a row. What I've found though is that those 50 year old rulers can get me a lot of points. Is it a 6/6/6? Not usually, but if I re-roll every election, I find that it often takes too long to get a young enough ruler to really get that benefit from, so I'd rather get 4 years of 2/2/5 if I can. Often though I end up getting to 4/4/6 which is really nice anyway. Of course, I don't go overboard with this. If I'm already low on RT (under 60), I'm not re-electing an elderly 1/1/4, I will try to get someone younger.

You're probably right about the 70 year old. At 6/6/6 I should ride the wave as long as I can. One year with those numbers is equal to 3 years at 1/1/4, so I shouldn't put an upper limit on it.

Don't worry to fall under dictatorship if you have a good ruler. Dictatorship gives you quite good events, and it's actually easy to pick +reptrad options from all of them and get back to being a republic. And during this time you have an insane MP because your ruler is 644+. Chances for failing into a dictatorship is not that big if you're over 30 anyway.

Interesting. I'll have to find a game to try that out. I've always avoided it because I don't want to lose my republic. It's just too hard to get it back. Maybe it's one of those things where since I don't use it, I am misinterpreting the risk though.

 

[slv]

If I'm already low on RT (under 60), I'm not re-electing an elderly 1/1/4, I will try to get someone younger.

I should also add that being under 60 is not "low reptrad". It's the reptrad you should aim for. It's the condition for "We need the King" event which as you mentioned is absolutely awesome and nice to have. It has 10 years mtth so it fires quite often if you sit under 60.

 

[josh127]

I should also add that being under 60 is not "low reptrad". It's the reptrad you should aim for. It's the condition for "We need the King" event which as you mentioned is absolutely awesome and nice to have. It has 10 years mtth so it fires quite often if you sit under 60.

I agree, low might have been a bad word there. What I'm looking at though is if I'm under 60 I only have one guaranteed re-election, so if the ruler is already old, it's a good opportunity to try my luck at re-rolling.

And yeah, "We need a King" is probably the way I get the majority of my RT.