How to get No Trail of Tears and A Sun God achievements?

[qqmagnuz]

So I have a decent amount of hours in EU4, around 700. And I almost exclusively play to get achievements. I only have 3 DLC, Art of War, Rights of Man and Common Sense. There are two achievements which I have failed to get miserably, and those are No Trail of Tears (Cherokee) and A Sun God (Inca). In both, you need to embrace all institutions and own a certain amount of provinces in your continent. The Sun God is labelled Very Hard and the Cherokee one is labelled Medium. But, despite my best efforts, these have been my toughest achievements to date. I have tried the Inca one about 10 times and the Cherokee one once.

The first thing I do in both these achievements is to rush down admin path whilst also rushing my neighbors. I can conquer these without a problem very quickly whilst not using any MP other than coring. This is easy for me. Then, at admin 5, I choose exploration and start taking the coast lines. At admin 7 I take expansion. Eventually I have 3 colonists and the global settler policy. Things are indeed looking excellent. But then the Europeans eventually arrive somewhere in the 1500's, usually in the latter half. They are so excessively ahead in tech that there is no way I can compete. Note: I have not developed any institutions myself. Basically they can be 10-15 techs military and of course I stand no chance when they declare war on me.

What am I doing wrong?

 

[Rikissa]

If you don't have the El Dorado or Conquest of Paradise DLCs active, you have to border someone with Feudalism and then pick the "Reform Society" decision. I would develop institutions before the Europeans arrive, you can't embrace them as a Primitive but they will still spread and you can embrace them after you enact the decision.

It is easier with El Dorado or Conquest of Paradise.

 

[SaucyBaron]

So I have a decent amount of hours in EU4, around 700. And I almost exclusively play to get achievements. I only have 3 DLC, Art of War, Rights of Man and Common Sense. There are two achievements which I have failed to get miserably, and those are No Trail of Tears (Cherokee) and A Sun God (Inca). In both, you need to embrace all institutions and own a certain amount of provinces in your continent. The Sun God is labelled Very Hard and the Cherokee one is labelled Medium. But, despite my best efforts, these have been my toughest achievements to date. I have tried the Inca one about 10 times and the Cherokee one once.

The first thing I do in both these achievements is to rush down admin path whilst also rushing my neighbors. I can conquer these without a problem very quickly whilst not using any MP other than coring. This is easy for me. Then, at admin 5, I choose exploration and start taking the coast lines. At admin 7 I take expansion. Eventually I have 3 colonists and the global settler policy. Things are indeed looking excellent. But then the Europeans eventually arrive somewhere in the 1500's, usually in the latter half. They are so excessively ahead in tech that there is no way I can compete. Note: I have not developed any institutions myself. Basically they can be 10-15 techs military and of course I stand no chance when they declare war on me.

What am I doing wrong?

As a native you are supposed to reform your religion (gets you a bunch of great bonuses including a colonist and military bonuses) so you can then reform your government (aka westernized) once you border a European core, this should get you within a couple of techs the European you border.

These features may be behind a DLC, likely Conquest of Paradise and/or El Dorado, if you don't have the DLC you can still reform via decision at admin tech 8, though not having the native reforms before then makes both achievements far harder.

 

[qqmagnuz]

If you don't have the El Dorado or Conquest of Paradise DLCs active, you have to border someone with Feudalism and then pick the "Reform Society" decision. I would develop institutions before the Europeans arrive, you can't embrace them as a Primitive but they will still spread and you can embrace them after you enact the decision.

It is easier with El Dorado or Conquest of Paradise.

Its called "Reforn Government." And you can do it with Admin tech 8+ and Feudalism embraced.

 

[Rikissa]

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/List_of_decision_lists#Reform_Society

This is the decision you have to pass without El Dorado or CoP. Reform Government is a different decision.


Note that on the right, it says "adopted Feudalism", but:

The condition for this custom trigger is:
At least one of the following is true:

• The ‘El Dorado’ DLC is not enabled and the country is Nahuatl, Mayan or Inti.
• The ‘Conquest of Paradise’ DLC is not enabled.
• The country is not Nahuatl, not Mayan, not Inti and not a native council.
• The country has embraced feudalism.

 

[qqmagnuz]

https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/List_of_decision_lists#Reform_Society

This is the decision you have to pass without El Dorado or CoP. Reform Government is a different decision.


Note that on the right, it says "adopted Feudalism", but:

The condition for this custom trigger is:
At least one of the following is true:

• The ‘El Dorado’ DLC is not enabled and the country is Nahuatl, Mayan or Inti.
• The ‘Conquest of Paradise’ DLC is not enabled.
• The country is not Nahuatl, not Mayan, not Inti and not a native council.
• The country has embraced feudalism.

That's right. I was just in game and this is exactly what I can do to get Feudalism. But that still leaves me with why I failed. Because I did the steps above - but I was too far behind my European rivals

 

[Rikissa]

You also said you did not develop for institutions. You should develop for institutions as soon as they are available and let them spread through your country, then pass the decision and embrace them.

 

[rinehime]

You also said you did not develop for institutions. You should develop for institutions as soon as they are available and let them spread through your country, then pass the decision and embrace them.

IIRC, you can't develop for feudalism as a new world native, you have to wait for the Europeans to arrive to reform. Might be different without some DLC though...

 

[Rikissa]

Oh, last time I checked you could develop institutions, you just couldn't embrace before losing Primitive status.

Unless they got rid of this in order to fix the "early reform" exploit, but I thought this was fixed in another way.

[edit]

Still seems to work.

 

[Brynjar]

Are you doing it as Cusco, or one of the other nations? Started a Cusco campaign myself om friday, and was only 1-2 techs behind castille before I reformed. Military advisor and focus is a must most of the time. I would also suggest disinheriting any heir which doesn't have 4 mil points. Admin and diplo tech past first idea can wait, you should have plenty of money to root out corruption from tech difference. I tried to get to the east and North coast asap by colonizing, as this let you border europeans earlier.

 

[cuendillar]

By the above, there seems to be little need to be able to embrace institutions until the Europeans actually show up. As Incas, it would probably be best to not spawn them ASAP close to home, but to instead delay it a bit to develop all of them in the Rio de la Plata (around Buenos Aires) as that seems to be possibly the cheapest place in SA for it (temperate grasslands) - and if you spawn them adjacent to each other you'll get them to spread quickly between each other due to adjacent high-dev provinces which in itself might be enough to allow immediate embracement of multiple ones.

At least in theory, I haven't played as them myself.

 

[Rikissa]

Would seem best to me to develop your gold mines. You can also gain institutions by waiting until a colonial nation forms and then rushing them, but what else are you going to do with your monarch points.

After embracing, you have to keep in mind that the neighbor bonus lasts one day, so save up points before you tech and you can gain many techs on the same day. You can get costs as low as 30 points for teching up once.

 

[gia257]

By the above, there seems to be little need to be able to embrace institutions until the Europeans actually show up. As Incas, it would probably be best to not spawn them ASAP close to home, but to instead delay it a bit to develop all of them in the Rio de la Plata (around Buenos Aires) as that seems to be possibly the cheapest place in SA for it (temperate grasslands) - and if you spawn them adjacent to each other you'll get them to spread quickly between each other due to adjacent high-dev provinces which in itself might be enough to allow immediate embracement of multiple ones.

At least in theory, I haven't played as them myself.

theres farmlands north as well,ah nvm just guajira, still doable

 

[BaronNoir]

Please note that as Cusco/Inca, the key mechanic to reform-authority is lowered each time autonomy is increased, both in game and by a decision (if an event ask to raise autonomy, it lowers autority)

(Reformed Incas are incredibly powerful, if only because the AI of Spain and Portugal does not usually make the difference between Inca Empire with firearms, canons, and warships attack my colonial nation and OPM Mapuche tribe attack my colonial nation)

So, in a more helpful way, I would advise rather taking Exploration first, so you can have colonists going in three directions (toward Panama, toward Argentina, toward Guyana/Antilles). The Inca Empire can handle with ease three colonies at the same time. Personally, I would wait till your victim have PRINTING PRESS in the colony, but as you pointed out the terrible gap between Incas and Europeans (which even after reform will take time to get over with) make that a risky gamble.

 

[Rikissa]

OP plays without El Dorado and thus authority, that's why the advice in here is so different.

 

[qqmagnuz]

I am playing as Cusco, yes! So, what exactly should my priority bet between these strategic goals?

a) Consolidate hegemony in the Region, and then rush North to see to colonize with 3 colonizers?

b) Rush down and develop Feudalism, and other institutions when they come? This will make hegemony more difficult and my neighbors will be up on military tech on me.

 

[BaronNoir]

Unfortunately, I can't really help you there, as I play with EL DORADO, which make desirable to have ASAP contact with the Western powers

 

[holyvigil]

I got both of those achievements. No Trail of Tears I got by colonizing the coast line before any Europeans came. A Sun God I got by developing gold mines and generally kicking everyone in the face. They were both simple achievements that had plenty of interesting flavor that I got before the game gets laggy in the 1650s or so. Don't know how it would work out without expansions.

 

[qqmagnuz]

I am making progress. Carib is my vassal.
https://imgur.com/a/lBTD0

I have developed Feudalism but can't embrace it. And I can't develop Renaissance without Feudalism. But I am on my way.
https://imgur.com/a/sTwso

 

[Mrkew]

Just pay the europeans off in the first war they declare when you're still unreformed and struck by european diseases. I reckon it won't even be 10k gold. I played Aztecs like a week ago, and I just paid off 5 or 6 wars from Spain, Portugal, France, GB. Remember that you can attack their colonial nations freely. I didn't have the overlord enforce peace upon me even once in the last 3 patches.