How to gain kingdoms through marriage?

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Im 80 hours played on steam, with a long stable line of Irish kings. But ive achieved precisely fuck all when it comes to usurping other kingdoms via cunning means. No matter what tactic I have tried, I have failed miserably and its ruining my game.

How in gods name do you acquire other kingdoms through marriage? If I marry a daughter with my male heir, I never get a claim. If I kill all of the other male members in line to inherit, the inheritance suddenly skips to some random fuck who is not at all related. Is this because the inheritance law of that country forbids women inheriting? How do I even check the inheritance laws of another country?

I have tried inviting claimants to my court and then matrilineally marrying them to my daughters. If I then install him, he becomes independent. If I install his son (my grandson of my dynasty), he becomes independent.

Just how do you do it? Im so mentally drained by trying to figure it out, I just cant face it anymore.

Help.

 

[mike the knight]

First it depends on the crown law of the reffered country ,Secondly he becomes independent naturally because you can only have vassal kings if your primary title is Empire tier .Considering you say that your grandson rules a country , he should be also your heir in order to unite thes ekingdoms .i hope I helped o If you want anything else do not hesitate to ask

 

[Lannock]

If you press a claim for another character they will become independent unless they are already your vassal. The easiest way to do this is to invite a character that has a claim on the title you want and grant them one of your own titles. It doesn't have to be a county, it could be a Barony or Bishopric. The title your pushing for also needs to be a lower rank than yours, a King can't be the vassal of another King. So if you're an Irish King and you press a claim for someone for the Kingdom of Scotland (just an example) then they will become independent if you win. However if you're an Emperor and push a claim for a Kingdom then the new King/Queen will be your vassal (aslong as they were already your vassal).

Gaining other Kingdoms through inheritance is a bit harder and I'm not expert at this but I'll try to offer some advice. First, if you hover over the coat of arms you can see what kind of succession laws that title has and the first three characters in line to receive that title. Try looking for a King or Queen that has primogeniture succession with maybe 1-2 sons then a daughter who is third in line to receive the Kingdom. Get your heir (assuming it's your son) married to this daughter and kill the two sons either by plots or assassination and then the child your son and their daughter has should be heir to both your Kingdom and theirs.

 

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If you press a claim for another character they will become independent unless they are already your vassal. The easiest way to do this is to invite a character that has a claim on the title you want and grant them one of your own titles. It doesn't have to be a county, it could be a Barony or Bishopric. The title your pushing for also needs to be a lower rank than yours, a King can't be the vassal of another King. So if you're an Irish King and you press a claim for someone for the Kingdom of Scotland (just an example) then they will become independent if you win. However if you're an Emperor and push a claim for a Kingdom then the new King/Queen will be your vassal (aslong as they were already your vassal).

Gaining other Kingdoms through inheritance is a bit harder and I'm not expert at this but I'll try to offer some advice. First, if you hover over the coat of arms you can see what kind of succession laws that title has and the first three characters in line to receive that title. Try looking for a King or Queen that has primogeniture succession with maybe 1-2 sons then a daughter who is third in line to receive the Kingdom. Get your heir (assuming it's your son) married to this daughter and kill the two sons either by plots or assassination and then the child your son and their daughter has should be heir to both your Kingdom and theirs.

Sodding turdburgers, I had tried the "invite claimant and give him land" tactic but ended up losing shit loads of territory because he mongs off and becomes his own king. I guess its because im a King when I should be emperor in order to do that.

Well thanks for the advice, I think I just need a break in order to destress. Played nonstop for almost 80 hours :/

 

[Crater122]

It's also important to note that if you press a dynasty member's claim on a title lower than yours, they become your vassal, even if you haven't already given them any land.

 

[Jamey]

If you press a claim for another character they will become independent unless they are already your vassal. The easiest way to do this is to invite a character that has a claim on the title you want and grant them one of your own titles. It doesn't have to be a county, it could be a Barony or Bishopric. The title your pushing for also needs to be a lower rank than yours, a King can't be the vassal of another King. So if you're an Irish King and you press a claim for someone for the Kingdom of Scotland (just an example) then they will become independent if you win. However if you're an Emperor and push a claim for a Kingdom then the new King/Queen will be your vassal (aslong as they were already your vassal).

If the claimant is in your dynasty, they do not have to be landed before pressing the claim.

Last night, I was bored waiting for my son to inherit Croatia and the ERE, so I pressed a claim I'd developed on France when it became available (it was weak, and a child inherited). I wound up accidentally vassalizing France, as I forgot that would happen (due to me being the Emperor). Oops.

Gaining other Kingdoms through inheritance is a bit harder and I'm not expert at this but I'll try to offer some advice. First, if you hover over the coat of arms you can see what kind of succession laws that title has and the first three characters in line to receive that title. Try looking for a King or Queen that has primogeniture succession with maybe 1-2 sons then a daughter who is third in line to receive the Kingdom. Get your heir (assuming it's your son) married to this daughter and kill the two sons either by plots or assassination and then the child your son and their daughter has should be heir to both your Kingdom and theirs.

I don't find it too hard to marry for titles. Look for girls with titles or follow steps like the above.

 

[LtStJebus]

I like the rare occasions when a lord dies with only a daughter to his name with primogeniture and agnatic-cognatic succession. Last time I made my heir marry a king's daughter during such an opportunity, and since I was a king myself (of tiny Aragon) he accepted, so my grandson would inherit both kingdoms. Now, it would be a tedious process to wait so long for my inheritance, but I was lucky, and died. Then my daughter-in-law had twins twice (all sons) and died. Then my son died. So I was playing my grandson in only a few years, now with a third of Hispania under my control.

Or you could take the evil route, and assassinate certain characters to speed up the inheritance process...

 

[Gunnarr]

I like the rare occasions when a lord dies with only a daughter to his name with primogeniture and agnatic-cognatic succession. Last time I made my heir marry a king's daughter during such an opportunity, and since I was a king myself (of tiny Aragon) he accepted, so my grandson would inherit both kingdoms. Now, it would be a tedious process to wait so long for my inheritance, but I was lucky, and died. Then my daughter-in-law had twins twice (all sons) and died. Then my son died. So I was playing my grandson in only a few years, now with a third of Hispania under my control.

Or you could take the evil route, and assassinate certain characters to speed up the inheritance process...

I was playing as Ireland and sent one of my sons to marry the (Rurik) Empress of Byzantium matrillinially. A few years later, lo and behold, he became Emperor!!! (the empress died without a heir and i dont know how but he became emperor...) From then on some random Irish family had control of the Roman Empire!

 

[Sam L]

I gained about 5 Kingdoms in my last game just by marrying female rulers/heirs. I even got the Byzantine Empire through this.

The trick is you really need to constantly keep checking the heirs. I got Byzantine Empire by marrying my heir to the daughter. The Basileus only had one son. I think he died childless but you need to take risks also.

Also, it's worth marrying some of your daughters matrilineally with the second/third oldest sons in line to the throne. The first one just might die and leave your grandchild as the heir to another realm. You won't directly control it but it's good to have a dynasty member become King/Queen in another realm.

 

[Malibu Stacey]

I gained about 5 Kingdoms in my last game just by marrying female rulers/heirs. I even got the Byzantine Empire through this.

The trick is you really need to constantly keep checking the heirs. I got Byzantine Empire by marrying my heir to the daughter. The Basileus only had one son. I think he died childless but you need to take risks also.

Also, it's worth marrying some of your daughters matrilineally with the second/third oldest sons in line to the throne. The first one just might die and leave your grandchild as the heir to another realm. You won't directly control it but it's good to have a dynasty member become King/Queen in another realm.

Last night I married my heir to the Queen of Norway (regular marriage, not matrilineal). My heir being heir to the Kingdoms of Scotland, Ireland and Wales (and a large chunk of England's counties too as I'm trying to create the Empire of Britannia). Their first child is both their heirs (listed in red for the Queen of Norway since he's of my dynasty).
So free Kingdom of Norway in a couple of generations. Hence I've been helping her in any wars she starts because any land she takes now will be mine pretty soon.

I might try playing a game where I don't use any casus belli & just expand through diplomacy & intrigue (vassalization/marriage etc). Could be fun to try to make an empire without having to raise an army except for defence.

 

[jezza93]

Marry the only child of a king, once the king dies declare war for your wifes claim,your child shall have both their kingdom and yours. Much easier in an empire though. All you have to do then is marry daughter of a king and when the king dies is declare war for her claim. Your wife gets the kingdom which is now in your empire.