I was thinking as trying the Coptic Ottomans as I hear it's a fun route to take, but I'm not sure exactly how to convert. I heard something about triggering their rebels in the Coptic provinces you have by putting missionary maintenance to 0 or something, but before I waste time I'd rather get someone else's word on it.
How to form the Coptomans?
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Yes, basically you have to trigger coptic zealots. In order to do it you need to conquer coptic province and immediately send missionary there. You have to wait for rebels to appear and allow them to conquer (and convert) many provinces (50% of your development). So mothball all forts, don't engage rebels, be in peace so enemies will not engage them. After that you will be able to accept their demands and conquer entire state.
There's also a shortcut version to trigger them: Conquer coptic land, make it into a state, assign the Dhimmi to a coptic province. Make the Dhimmi disloyal (by taking taxes from them for example) and take the freshly assigned province away from the Dhimmi. They will revolt - as coptic rebels. Then follow the rest of the instruction of the previous post.
As a aditional tip when changing religions, your country cant automatically enforce rebel demands if you are at war. So declare war on some insignificant nation, and the rebels will continue converting more than just 50% of your provinces.
Give them dhimmi, later remove one dhimmi from Orthodox and later Coptic one. They will revolt. Take away your armies to Europa and don't supply castles. Sit comfortably on your chair and wait until rebels occupies much enough territories to convert Coptic.
If it's your first time as Ottos, I'd play them straight, just to get a sense of their unique government, which you lose after conversion.
A few things to be aware of before conversion, especially if you've never played Ottos before.:
1. Make sure you take the Move Capital to Constantinople Decision. This should be one of your opening moves anyways. Don't core Constantiple, the decision will do it for you.
2. Before conversion, consider getting the provinces for the "Sultan becomes Khalifa" event (Cairo, Alexandria, Damascus, and Jerusalem). It's 400 ADM, 25 prestige, & 25 legitimacy (and 25 piety, which doesn't matter after conversion...) . It'll take more time before you convert, but the event is only available as a Muslim. It has a 36 month MTTH, so it tends to fire pretty fast after geting the required provinces.
3. Look at the Coptic events - there are a couple that give increased conversion % for states once you control them and prestige. After you convert, these will immediately fire if you already control these areas. If the rebels don't convert these provinces, you can use missionaries (and maybe an Inquisitor adviser) following the country conversion to do so quickly. You might also want to avoid conquering them until you're ready (except many overlap with the Khalifa decision) so you don't "waste" the bonus by being unable to convert them all in time.
4. You lose the unique government after conversion. This gives you a choice among 3 heirs via event, one of which is usually pretty good. Make sure you milk this (via disinherit if they're all bad) to get a great heir prior to conversion. As a Christian, you'll have to disinherit much more often to ensure good rulers.
If you have Cossacks, the Dhimmi trick is easiest. When you revoke land from a disloyal estate, rebels pop up. No need to give them an Orthodox province, though - you can make them disloyal by using the Recruit and Tax interactions. Conquer 3-4 of the Coptic provinces east of Anatolia, assign all to dhimmi and revoke all. This gives you 3-4 rebel stacks which should convert provinces faster.
Without Cossacks, assign a missionary and set missionary maintenance to 0. The 0 maintenance is so you don't actually convert the province (or waste ducats trying...). The missionary should set the rebels to Coptic and with the added unrest they'll spawn eventually.
Every province they occupy will convert to Coptic. Religious rebels tend to focus on provinces with a missionary, so you can assign some missionaries to direct them.
A few things to be aware of before conversion, especially if you've never played Ottos before.:
1. Make sure you take the Move Capital to Constantinople Decision. This should be one of your opening moves anyways. Don't core Constantiple, the decision will do it for you.
2. Before conversion, consider getting the provinces for the "Sultan becomes Khalifa" event (Cairo, Alexandria, Damascus, and Jerusalem). It's 400 ADM, 25 prestige, & 25 legitimacy (and 25 piety, which doesn't matter after conversion...) . It'll take more time before you convert, but the event is only available as a Muslim. It has a 36 month MTTH, so it tends to fire pretty fast after geting the required provinces.
3. Look at the Coptic events - there are a couple that give increased conversion % for states once you control them and prestige. After you convert, these will immediately fire if you already control these areas. If the rebels don't convert these provinces, you can use missionaries (and maybe an Inquisitor adviser) following the country conversion to do so quickly. You might also want to avoid conquering them until you're ready (except many overlap with the Khalifa decision) so you don't "waste" the bonus by being unable to convert them all in time.
4. You lose the unique government after conversion. This gives you a choice among 3 heirs via event, one of which is usually pretty good. Make sure you milk this (via disinherit if they're all bad) to get a great heir prior to conversion. As a Christian, you'll have to disinherit much more often to ensure good rulers.
If you have Cossacks, the Dhimmi trick is easiest. When you revoke land from a disloyal estate, rebels pop up. No need to give them an Orthodox province, though - you can make them disloyal by using the Recruit and Tax interactions. Conquer 3-4 of the Coptic provinces east of Anatolia, assign all to dhimmi and revoke all. This gives you 3-4 rebel stacks which should convert provinces faster.
Without Cossacks, assign a missionary and set missionary maintenance to 0. The 0 maintenance is so you don't actually convert the province (or waste ducats trying...). The missionary should set the rebels to Coptic and with the added unrest they'll spawn eventually.
Every province they occupy will convert to Coptic. Religious rebels tend to focus on provinces with a missionary, so you can assign some missionaries to direct them.
Not much more to say except two things:
1. If you have subjects put them to sleep, else it could be that they will kill your precious rebels.
2. Make sure that there are non of your ships in the strait in front of Constantinople including trade fleets (so put them off), else it could happen that they are taken the other route around the red sea and getting killed by Crimea/Lithuania/Mazovia.
1. If you have subjects put them to sleep, else it could be that they will kill your precious rebels.
2. Make sure that there are non of your ships in the strait in front of Constantinople including trade fleets (so put them off), else it could happen that they are taken the other route around the red sea and getting killed by Crimea/Lithuania/Mazovia.
imo it's better to be at war. Just declare on trebizond or any small country. When you 100% him, just sit on him while coptic rebels doing their work. This prevent you from breaking to the rebels.
Is it just me... Or does this just feel like a crap way to change religion?... I know it shouldn´t be easy... But this is just tedious?... But yes... Let rebels convert as many provinces and then just let them enforce...
Make sure to unsiege every province except for one before accepting demands to avoid the autonomy hit.
How soon should I be doing this? Is becoming Coptic asap the play or is it okay to wait maybe 50 years while I get this caliphate mission/decision? I'm trying into form the Roman Empire so that's why I'm going Coptic.
I'll second both of these.
As Ottos, you can do whatever you want
. Realistically, the more provinces you have, the longer it will take the rebels to convert, so you don't want to be too big when you try. You also get missions to take Egypt, the Levant, and a bunch of others. Take those missions for the free claims, but cancel them before you complete them. They'll pop up again later. It will take 2-3 wars against the Mamluks to get all the land you need for the Khalifa event. Alexandria (required) and Antioch (not required for Khalifa) are both Coptic holy sites, so you'll get the bonuses immediately upon conversion if you have them and they're Coptic. They both get the missionary bonus upon conversion as well, so if the rebels don't convert them you should be able to do so soon after.One thing to point out: After all the holy sites are under Coptic control, there's really not much else to the religion besides some events. There's no additional mechanics like patriarch or papal influence, etc. You might want to consider going Orthodox or Catholic (you convert the same way) if you want more "gameplay". The Coptic bonuses are nice, but not needed if you want to form Rome as the Ottos. Going Catholic might let you play the HRE/PU game a bit better and the Orthodox mechanics were revamped in the last expansion.
I like to do it ASAP since you can start RMing everybody. When i went Coptomans to Roman Empire I got full France and Spain that had Tunisia as PU's and it was awesome.