How to force Merchant republic into feudalism

[Naughtius Maximus]

In my infinite wisdom (/s) I granted cities based solely on stewardship. Well now this mayor inherited a large duchy.

I have viceroyalties active and can choose to give him the duchy. I would prefer not to however. Is there anyway to punt him back into feudalism? I've revoked his city and he's still a republic, despite holding three castle/county holdings.

 

[Sergeant Flutter]

The duchies coastal? If it's a Merchant Republic it can give you the big bucks.....

Normal Republics are useless, if it's one of those, I believe it will go Feudal if the heir is Feudal and landed,

Give one of your sons land and marry him to the Republic's daughter?

 

[Naughtius Maximus]

He's a normal republic but will turn into a Merchant one as soon as I grant him what used to be a viceroyal duchy.

He was originally the brother of the viceroyal duke holder, who didn't have kids unfortunately. Now he has inherited three counties along with his lone city. I can give him the duchy and make him a merchant republic, but this is the duchy of Achaia (where Sparta and Corinth are.) It's too close to Venice.

 

[Dahoota]

The duchies coastal? If it's a Merchant Republic it can give you the big bucks.....

Normal Republics are useless, if it's one of those, I believe it will go Feudal if the heir is Feudal and landed,

Give one of your sons land and marry him to the Republic's daughter?

I don't think this will work - inland republics use succession much like thoecracies and holy orders, an "open" succession where the successor is randomly generated on death.

There used to be a bug where when a republican character was left with only feudal holdings they would revert to feudal, but it has been corrected.

Basically you'll have to revoke all his titles, which shouldn't be too hard. The -20 wrong govt type opinion malus makes it very likely he'll join most factions, you can revoke as a traitor after a civil war.

 

[Sergeant Flutter]

I don't think this will work - inland republics use succession much like thoecracies and holy orders, an "open" succession where the successor is randomly generated on death.

There used to be a bug where when a republican character was left with only feudal holdings they would revert to feudal, but it has been corrected.

Basically you'll have to revoke all his titles, which shouldn't be too hard. The -20 wrong govt type opinion malus makes it very likely he'll join most factions, you can revoke as a traitor after a civil war.

Really? That's annoying. :/

They really should add a button on the Diplomacy Menu that's like, "Ask to change to your Government Type"

 

[Moarice]

Worsen relations with him to oblivion, wait for him to rebel, win and revoke any duchy-level titles from him.
Worked for me.

Or, if he has a daughter, marry her to your heir and grant him independence. Reconquer him in a few years and the title should go Feudal.

 

[StarSword]

I don't think this will work - inland republics use succession much like thoecracies and holy orders, an "open" succession where the successor is randomly generated on death.

Actually they select from members of the ruler's court. It's only city baronies (which don't automatically generate courtiers unless the mayor is married) that randomly generate mayors.

 

[alanschu]

Actually they select from members of the ruler's court. It's only city baronies (which don't automatically generate courtiers unless the mayor is married) that randomly generate mayors.

Do you know what determines it? Seniority? Just curious how my kin became leader of Knights of Hospitallier haha.

 

[StarSword]

Do you know what determines it? Seniority? Just curious how my kin became leader of Knights of Hospitallier haha.

I have no idea. But just for the record holy orders like the Hospitalers use a modified form of it. The grandmaster actually does have a court at all times no matter the order's rank, and there are runners-up in succession elections who can be invited to court and have their claims pressed. (This is the main way to vassalize a holy order, by landing a claimant and conquering the order.)

But I do have independent confirmation of the "elected from courtiers" succession. Quite apart from the various married mayors I've created who were succeeded by children, after conquering half of Brittany I temporarily made Cornouaille a county-level republic while waiting for a claim on the fourth county to make a vassal merchant republic. At some point the lord mayor converted to Cathar, then he died and a different Cathar was elected. A Cathar whom I had previously holy-warred out of Wales -- definitely the same guy and he had the "Declared War" and "Usurped Titles" opinions against me.

 

[josefrees]

Grant it independence and then claim it assuming it is a de jure part of your titles

 

[LumberKing]

Grant it independence and then claim it assuming it is a de jure part of your titles

You can't grant independence to vassals who are part of your de jure realm unless they are not of your faith.