I am playing IN. After having attack twice with Castille to Portugal, I have been forced to attack once mor to get Lisboa, their last territorie. They were a vassal of England and then I thought... I get the Gascoune and that's it.... I had to get Dunkerque, attack and annex several dutch countries, and in a couple of months I will have all england, I have 3.000 troops in every single English territorie, and he has 1.000 man in Ireland. All this because they have being trying to make peace for his alliance... It could be that it is still forming part of his allianceBurgundy, who made peace with me in the second month of this intense war. Ok, and the question is? How I make to in the same peace proccess, make England to resing with Portugal vassalissation, avoiding that Portugal, does not sign peace with me in the first peace English treaty?
How to force an alliance leader to sue peace for himself?
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If England is the suzerain (overlord) of a vassal, you can only demand the vassals release by the suzerain. If the suzerain is the war-leader, the war will terminate when you peace him with the terms of revoking suzerainty. Can't get around that.
If England wouldn't have been the warleader -- a position perhaps occupied by Burgundy instead -- you would have been able to peace England in a sub-peace leaving the released vassal still in the war since the vassal was called into a war leaded by Burgundy and not England. This however, does not seem to be the case in your example.
If England wouldn't have been the warleader -- a position perhaps occupied by Burgundy instead -- you would have been able to peace England in a sub-peace leaving the released vassal still in the war since the vassal was called into a war leaded by Burgundy and not England. This however, does not seem to be the case in your example.
Thanks but that is the problem... I attacked England in order to attack Lisboa. They were the leaders, so I finished conquering them, in order to get a single province. Although having all of the english provinces, now brittany, scotland and other minor territories are attacking England getting his provinces. Let's see where this finish...
Well, if your goal was simply to annex Lisboa, you should be able to demand that off England. A suzerain more or less disposes over vassal land as its own.
See the screen-shot for example. Brittany attacked OPM Champagne (a vassal of Brabant) and in the the peace menu dealing with Brabant, Champaigne can be demanded (if it is occupied of course). Some people have argued against the possibility of demanding vassal OPM land, so this discourse might indicate that some CBs exclude the option -- or they misremembered.
See the screen-shot for example. Brittany attacked OPM Champagne (a vassal of Brabant) and in the the peace menu dealing with Brabant, Champaigne can be demanded (if it is occupied of course). Some people have argued against the possibility of demanding vassal OPM land, so this discourse might indicate that some CBs exclude the option -- or they misremembered.
Suzerain? I've never heard that term before.
In any case, you should be able to demand the land from England.
In any case, you should be able to demand the land from England.
No, Serzis. I believe that we are playing different versions. In IN I think that you can not release a vassall and claim for his territory.
Adittionaly Portugal, opened Madeira, which was not done 7 years ago...
By the way, the IN expansion, in the instrucctions says that the colonies in this version, do not show the production till the colony becomes larger... Having the whole entire world to colonise (Portugal, and England will be erased in let's say 20-30 years as english terrotiry is very expensive 20%-30% victory points per province) what zones you advise me to colonize?
Adittionaly Portugal, opened Madeira, which was not done 7 years ago...
By the way, the IN expansion, in the instrucctions says that the colonies in this version, do not show the production till the colony becomes larger... Having the whole entire world to colonise (Portugal, and England will be erased in let's say 20-30 years as english terrotiry is very expensive 20%-30% victory points per province) what zones you advise me to colonize?
It's should not so much be a question game versions.
If a state possesses more than one province (apparently Portugal not only had lisboa, but also madeira), you can indeed not request the annexation of the vassal capital -- like you cannot demand the English capital of London without first conquering the remaining territories. You must either first conquer madeira and then demand OPM (one-province-minor) Portugal/(Lisboa), or demand it's release and later conquer it -- given that it's war score value is low enough.
In order to take capital provinces -- even if you have a specific CB on the province -- you must either annex the state whole-sale, or first "isolate the capital." This later approach means that a capital province must be fully isolated from the remaining provinces. If the capital is coastal, no other coastal province must exist connected to it by sea, though one can exist in the hinterland of the continent.
As for the part about "...do not show the production till the colony becomes larger" :
Presumably, you are referring to trade goods, the production item displayed in the lower left corner in the provincial menu. Indeed, when a colony is established, the colonial trade good will be unknown -- a "question mark" -- and will only show, or be discovered, some time after the colony's foundation (more likely close to becoming a city at pop 1000). The important difference between IN and previous expansions is that colonial trade goods are no longer fixed. Upon colonising a province, the trade good will be unknown and what it is that will eventually be discovered will be semi-random. Madeira, for example, may yield four different types of trade goods: "fish, naval supplies, sugar." Obviously, sugar is more precious than fish, but you can't control the outcome. Trade goods affect the production value below "tax income," with some trade goods like suger being more valuable. They are the primary source of revenue you'll get from colonies which often have poor base tax.
Here is a list of trade goods: http://www.paradoxian.org/eu3wiki/Trade_goods
As for where to colonize, I'd suggest you check this list of regions associated with different trade goods: http://www.paradoxian.org/eu3wiki/Regions_and_Colonial_Trade_Goods
You'll see that certain regions can only reveal "grain or slaves," which isn't especially valuable, at least not early on. A good approach is hence to look over which regions give a chance of good trade goods (potentially off-set by good or bad base tax in the province). The Caribbean isles are some of the best, since they can only reveal "coffee, cotton, sugar or tobacco," all excellent trade goods. The Spanish Main, lying deceptively between three comparatively good colonial trade good regions, is not only abysmal when it comes to base tax, it also reveal terrible trade goods in 2/3 of all cases, namely: "wool,(bad) fur (really bad after the early game) or coffee (great)."
If a state possesses more than one province (apparently Portugal not only had lisboa, but also madeira), you can indeed not request the annexation of the vassal capital -- like you cannot demand the English capital of London without first conquering the remaining territories. You must either first conquer madeira and then demand OPM (one-province-minor) Portugal/(Lisboa), or demand it's release and later conquer it -- given that it's war score value is low enough.
In order to take capital provinces -- even if you have a specific CB on the province -- you must either annex the state whole-sale, or first "isolate the capital." This later approach means that a capital province must be fully isolated from the remaining provinces. If the capital is coastal, no other coastal province must exist connected to it by sea, though one can exist in the hinterland of the continent.
As for the part about "...do not show the production till the colony becomes larger" :
Presumably, you are referring to trade goods, the production item displayed in the lower left corner in the provincial menu. Indeed, when a colony is established, the colonial trade good will be unknown -- a "question mark" -- and will only show, or be discovered, some time after the colony's foundation (more likely close to becoming a city at pop 1000). The important difference between IN and previous expansions is that colonial trade goods are no longer fixed. Upon colonising a province, the trade good will be unknown and what it is that will eventually be discovered will be semi-random. Madeira, for example, may yield four different types of trade goods: "fish, naval supplies, sugar." Obviously, sugar is more precious than fish, but you can't control the outcome. Trade goods affect the production value below "tax income," with some trade goods like suger being more valuable. They are the primary source of revenue you'll get from colonies which often have poor base tax.
Here is a list of trade goods: http://www.paradoxian.org/eu3wiki/Trade_goods
As for where to colonize, I'd suggest you check this list of regions associated with different trade goods: http://www.paradoxian.org/eu3wiki/Regions_and_Colonial_Trade_Goods
You'll see that certain regions can only reveal "grain or slaves," which isn't especially valuable, at least not early on. A good approach is hence to look over which regions give a chance of good trade goods (potentially off-set by good or bad base tax in the province). The Caribbean isles are some of the best, since they can only reveal "coffee, cotton, sugar or tobacco," all excellent trade goods. The Spanish Main, lying deceptively between three comparatively good colonial trade good regions, is not only abysmal when it comes to base tax, it also reveal terrible trade goods in 2/3 of all cases, namely: "wool,(bad) fur (really bad after the early game) or coffee (great)."