How to Fight Ming?

[SignedName]

In my Korea game I got reasonably powerful, expanding into Manchuria and Siberia, even a foothold in Japan (thanks, straits). I just released Mongolia as a vassal after taking land from Korchin, but now Ming has declared on me for Mongolia. What do I do?

 

[_Rasputin]

Attrition warfare? Who are your allies?

 

[UristMcLocal]

Ming should have awful morale compared to you, that will go a long long way to securing victory.

 

[flyingchicken]

Just take the loss. In the long run you can look for opportunities to make up for the shame.

I mean I'm sure there are some great try-hard micro tricks out there, but unless you can muster allies and avoid getting stackwiped and avoid losing your territory, you should take as close to a white peace as you can take IMO.

(I was playing an Ironman daimyo->Japan game yesterday, Korea sicced Ming on me--I quickly lost my outnumbered fleet--I took out ten loans, raised an 40-stack which was above my FL, had +2 mil tech on Ming, and despite trying to defeat in detail I just got stackwiped in my own soil by sheer numbers--took out another set of loans, raised another 40-stack, stackwiped again; I had to take a 95% warscore loss--I'd have RQ'd if I didn't have Siberians/Ainu to release to buffer much of it)

 

[neondt]

In my Manchu games I've found baiting Ming into attacking you in the mountains is the most reliable tactic. Also, have a good general even if it takes a lot of re-rolls.

 

[SignedName]

Attrition warfare? Who are your allies?

No allies, just the following vassals: Ainu, Shimazu, Mongolia, Haixi (they're actually pretty useless).

 

[Fluffy_Fishy]

Use shimazu to get a nice slice of japan then go after ming.

 

[SignedName]

Use shimazu to get a nice slice of japan then go after ming.

Not possible since I'm at war with Ming right now. Thankfully they don't have tech for cannons, but neither do I (have the tech, but haven't built any).

 

[ExtraCheesy]

In my Manchu game I was able to beat Ming pretty early on by allying Oriat. They didn't actually help me win any battles but their provinces have no supply limit so Ming lost thousands upon thousands of troops chasing small stacks while I sieged down Beijing. Also with their bad starting leader you should be able to get ahead of them on miltech and that gives you a big edge.

 

[MrParadux]

Mings greatest weakness apart from the potential to totally collapse at any moment is their low manpower. They have at least 50% autonomy in all provinces and may even have lower manpower than you do as korea