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I want to makes sure I've got all the strategies covered, because inheritance is everything in this game:

1.) Change succession laws

2.) Give your son a bishopric - Can't do it with son expected to inherit the primary title, but effective in prevent the division of land under Gavelkind. Edit: Doesn't work for Muslims and certain other religions (ie: Cathar).

3.) Make your son a Doge - I just discovered this cool strategy. If you grant your kid a coastal city, then the county the city is in, and then a duchy, he becomes the new Grand Mayor of a new Republic, which disinherits him. Works on the son expected to inherit the primary title. Works best if you have a King title and you can wage holy war.

4.) Encourage him to join a military order - If Catholic, educate your son to have high military stats, since this apparently increases probability. Might be other conditions too, anyone know them? Child must be adult, however.

5.) Force children to take holy vows - I've never tried this, but apparently you need to imprison them first (which gives -40 tyranny unless you caught them plotting or being heretical). Does this work on females too? This would be useful as I currently don't know any way to disinherit women assuming inheritance isn't absolute cognatic. Also, can you imprison children and force them to take holy vows? I think not, which is unfortunate. Waiting till they're adult is often way too risky for me, which is why I've never used this.

6.) Imprison + Banishment? - Haven't tried this either. Are banished character disinherited? Can you banish children? Edit: Banishment doesn't work.

7.) Get them killed somehow - Haven't tried this. Make them a court chaplain and send them to convert some pagans (but doesn't work if Orthodox/Miaphysite since court chaplains must be bishops). Or you can have them lead an army. Again, must be adult. Edit: Maybe you could educate your kid with a tutor that hates him and has a high spy rating?

8.) Just kill them - Assassinate. Apparently you can't use plots to kill your own children. You gotta do it manually. I've used this lots.

Have I missed anything?

EDIT:

9.) Castrate - works only if you belong to the Byzantine cultural group and you suffer tyranny for the act. You can castrate children. Doesn't work on females. I've done this.

10.) Gift titles - limited to 1 title in gavelkind for heir of primary title, but can still be useful to rejuggling the way inheritance is calculated.

11.) Change Designated Primary Title - Applies to the specific situation where you have two titles of equal rank and one is Gavelkind. If you select the coat of arms of one of the title you want to make your primary there is an option to "Make Primary". The mechanics are obscure, but doing so can rejuggle the inheritance - I've used this several times, and you can change designation as many times as you see fit with no opinion or monetary cost. I had a situation of Primogeniture HRE and Gavelkind Byzantine Empire titles and changing my primary to Gavelkind allowed my oldest child to inherit both titles somehow... or was it the other way around? Can't remember except that it fixed my inheritance problem without me having to do anything bad to my kids.

12.) "Three-Step Bishop" - Allows you to work around the rule against giving your primary heir a bishopric. As described by keynes2.0:
1) Give a barony
2) Give a bishopric/town
3) Revoke the barony

13.) Designations - Byzantine Emperors and Republics can designate their heir by giving them a special title. I always forget about this one. It's so easy and simple. One thing for the Byzantine Emperor title - I just discovered that if you have gavelkind and you designate your middle son the heir, DO NOT give your middle son a higher title than your older son. The gavelkind messes things up.
 
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You don't need to imprison someone to force them to take the vows if they're unmarried and not an heir.

Banishing people don't disinherit them, IIRC.

I think that getting people castrated disinherits them too.
 

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Regarding Giving Titles, you don´t need to give titles to your primary heir, just to the pretenders, once the game deems they have enough titles they dont inherit anything.
They do get claims though.

This if you just want to stop your realm from fracturing due to Gavelkind.
 

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I love these forums. Where else would a thread like this be considered normal?

I do have a warning about making a younger son a doge. Republics are usually set to Seniority Succession, which can mess things up pretty badly.
 
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I felt bad the first time I assassinated my eldest son. Believe it or not, but I did it for the first time last week after hours and hours of dedicated gameplay. I felt bad, but now.....

Meh. =)
 

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I love these forums. Where else would a thread like this be considered normal?

I do have a warning about making a younger son a doge. Republics are usually set to Seniority Succession, which can mess things up pretty badly.

Agreed. Not recommended unless your dynasty is large enough that the probability of it interfering with your succession is unlikely. Just did this in my current game in my third generation after starting as a count, so my dynasty is only 3 generations deep. I'm making an effort to land and marry my dynastic members so they have more babies. We'll see what happens
 

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I felt bad the first time I assassinated my eldest son. Believe it or not, but I did it for the first time last week after hours and hours of dedicated gameplay. I felt bad, but now.....

Meh. =)

I honestly didn't even try to assassinate anyone until the priest declared my wife's child as the antichrist and I took action... after the denoucement and action the child had somehow became a bastard prisoner in another court but was somehow killing my heirs bizarre ways, I went though my entire treasury trying to kill the demon spawn who somehow kept surviving multiple assassination attempts in prison before the last assassin finally got her. Afterwards I excuted my ex-karling wife just to be sure... her brother the holy roman emperor didn't even get a negative reaction to it, perhaps because she had the slept with Satan modifier.

After that I believe my next assassination spree was to wipe out a entire branch of my patrician family because in spite of marrying unrelated a genius and strong characters together I got a entire line of slow people from that.
 

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Three steps to disinherit the eldest:
1) Give a barony
2) Give a bishopric/town
3) Revoke the barony

Costs 10 tyranny and some prestige+piety
 

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Three steps to disinherit the eldest:
1) Give a barony
2) Give a bishopric/town
3) Revoke the barony

Costs 10 tyranny and some prestige+piety

Just a note: Cities don't disinherit owners, unless they are merchant republics (unless they actually changed it in some patch). Not all religions disinherit temple owners. Most pagan ones don't.
 

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7.) ... Maybe you could educate your kid with a tutor that hates him and has a high spy rating?


At least that worked for me. I had two sons and gavelkind succession. I send my younger son to Tribe of Tavastians so that they would educate to him become believer of Suomenusko. He died immediately suspicious circumstances. I was happy about that even though that wasn't my original plan :D
 

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Why do you need to give a Barony first?
Can't you just grant a Temple right away and avoid step one?

Also doing this will give you some nasty opinion penalties with all your vassals.

The game won't allow to grant the designated primary heir a temple as a way to desinherit him. You can do so with any other son, but not the primary. This is a work around.
 

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Giving them a temple doesn't work as a Muslim, bear in mind. Also, make them become a monk/nun as a Christian.