How to deal with perpetual 25 RR from revolutions?

[lonkeW]

I destroyed the last revolutionary country, France, but the tooltip basically says good job you destroyed revolutions but we gonna keep this mechanic alive and spread revolutions anyways. So my game is pretty much ruined because every 5 mins I have to deal with a revolt. Anyway to permanently remove this because if not how is every game not ruined?

 

[jonjowett]

AFAIK, there are basically 3 ways to get rid of the revolution:

• Personally own the CoR, trigger the revolution disaster, crush the revolutionaries
• If the revolution target owns the CoR, crush the revolution in that country via the special wargoal
  • If the revolution is reignited elsewhere (which can happen, but only once), do it again.
• Wait until it has been 20 years since the last time a revolution target was crushed (or 30 years if there was never a revolution target)

 

[lonkeW]

AFAIK, there are basically 3 ways to get rid of the revolution:

• Personally own the CoR, trigger the revolution disaster, crush the revolutionaries
• If the revolution target owns the CoR, crush the revolution in that country via the special wargoal
  • If the revolution is reignited elsewhere (which can happen, but only once), do it again.
• Wait until it has been 20 years since the last time a revolution target was crushed (or 30 years if there was never a revolution target)

Did both of them not sure about the last one. I destroyed Provence the first revolution then France then Otto then Denmark. On the tooltip the government page it says revolution ended but it can still be reignited. Spain has 0 zeal so I may have to get it too but wtf this thing never ends its spreads like a damn bush fire when I crush one another coutry gets it. It never ends so wtf. How do ppl kill this thing? I just realized that I conquered the revolution center using the horde CB and not the crush revolution CB. Does this mean that I should give the target back and get it through the proper CB?

 

[jonjowett]

I just realized that I conquered the revolution center using the horde CB and not the crush revolution CB. Does this mean that I should give the target back and get it through the proper CB?

That would be your problem.

Is there a revolution target? If there is, and you can find a way to give them the CoR, then this is probably the quickest way to destroy the CoR and zeroise the revolution. (Give them the CoR, declare war with the crush the revolution cb, do not take the CoR in the peace, do use the special crush the revolution peace term.)

If there is a revolution target and you can't give them a CoR, or there is no revolution target, it's probably fastest to do the revolution disaster yourself. But you can only have this disaster once, and your post implies that you already had it, so this option may be irrelevant.

Otherwise, you need to crush the revolution target (using the special cb), and ensure that no new revolution target arises afterwards, and wait 20 years.

 

[lonkeW]

That would be your problem.

Is there a revolution target? If there is, and you can find a way to give them the CoR, then this is probably the quickest way to destroy the CoR and zeroise the revolution. (Give them the CoR, declare war with the crush the revolution cb, do not take the CoR in the peace, do use the special crush the revolution peace term.)

If there is a revolution target and you can't give them a CoR, or there is no revolution target, it's probably fastest to do the revolution disaster yourself. But you can only have this disaster once, and your post implies that you already had it, so this option may be irrelevant.

Otherwise, you need to crush the revolution target (using the special cb), and ensure that no new revolution target arises afterwards, and wait 20 years.

thnx, I didnt get a disaster though my capital is all the way to Beijing which the annoying part. It would be easier to revert to a previous save though its 1800 might as well start a new campaign. JFC My taxes are simpler.

 

[Beagá]

What a bloody mess...

 

[Saat98]

I think that this is one of the worst changes in 1.33. When the revolution gave you a +50% minimum autonomy, it was annoying but not gamebreaking. If you had blobbed enough, for example, you would still have enough manpower/money to be a credible great power. But now, with +25 unrest in every revolutionary province, even true faith/accepted culture provinces with no separatism will revolt, and they will revolt fast and hard. As the OP said, it is gamebreaking. At least there should be a mechanic that if a given province has already revolted by revolutionary rebels, the province and maybe the whole area/region should get rid of revolutionary ideals (even if these ideals can be spread again).

 

[AvengedK1ng]

I think that this is one of the worst changes in 1.33. When the revolution gave you a +50% minimum autonomy, it was annoying but not gamebreaking. If you had blobbed enough, for example, you would still have enough manpower/money to be a credible great power. But now, with +25 unrest in every revolutionary province, even true faith/accepted culture provinces with no separatism will revolt, and they will revolt fast and hard. As the OP said, it is gamebreaking. At least there should be a mechanic that if a given province has already revolted by revolutionary rebels, the province and maybe the whole area/region should get rid of revolutionary ideals (even if these ideals can be spread again).

The era did see many revolts and call for independence. Does this break up asian blobs allowing for euro colonisation? Does decreasing absolutism still decrease revolution's malus?

 

[Saat98]

The era did see many revolts and call for independence. Does this break up asian blobs allowing for euro colonisation? Does decreasing absolutism still decrease revolution's malus?

Yeah, it does. But even at 50 absolutism you will have +12.5 global unrest, which will put most or all of your provinces at positive unrest. Also, this was a time when revolts and calls for independence were met with brutal repression, so it could be represented with the local removal of revolutionary ideals when a revolutionary revolt is crushed.

 

[AvengedK1ng]

Yeah, it does. But even at 50 absolutism you will have +12.5 global unrest, which will put most or all of your provinces at positive unrest. Also, this was a time when revolts and calls for independence were met with brutal repression, so it could be represented with the local removal of revolutionary ideals when a revolutionary revolt is crushed.

One of the age abilities is - 50% harsh treatment cost, and massacring rebels seems pretty harsh. Revolts caused by revolutionary modifier are already covered by recent uprising province modifier no?

 

[Saat98]

One of the age abilities is - 50% harsh treatment cost, and massacring rebels seems pretty harsh. Revolts caused by revolutionary modifier are already covered by recent uprising province modifier no?

Yeah, you're right on the recent uprising. Although the harsh treatment cost reduction is not good enough. You still keep spending a ton of mil mana, which in this patch is even more necessary for breaching walls.

 

[Nostalgium]

I like the change from Autonomy to Unrest - it makes the whole affair feel more, well, Revolutionary - but as before, the problem with the Revolution mechanic is that there is no way to combat it internally. Absolutely none. It seeps into your nation, and nothing can be done about it. Even crushing the Revolutionary Target is only sometimes the solution. You can't give local concessions, you can't strike down the revolts, and if the Revolutionary Center spawns in a large nation that itself does not go Revolutionary, you can't even remove the COR by crushing the revolution. It will continue to spread.

The thing it reminds me of the most is an even more insistent version of the Dutch Revolt disaster. There really ought to be some way to combat revolution spreading in your own nation that has player agency and isn't dependent on the occasional event.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

+25 unrest is also completely out of bounds with every other unrest modifier in the game, especially when not in disaster. You could max out the unrest from every available estate at high influence, slap yourself to -3 stability, have wrong religion, then lower autonomy and it would STILL be less unrest.

The revolution was certainly a major set of events in history, and opponents to it took it seriously. But I don't think any non-revolution nation had more unrest than if you waved a wand and transposed the middle east in to Europe, nor did this effect keep spreading through the entire world even as the "revolution target" fails to get even half the land of historical France.

+25 unrest is not internally consistent, at all. It has no historical basis in relation to other EU 4 modifiers, and it's bonkers from a gameplay perspective to stop ToR from existing and still be getting this.

 

[Mrkew]

One of the age abilities is - 50% harsh treatment cost, and massacring rebels seems pretty harsh. Revolts caused by revolutionary modifier are already covered by recent uprising province modifier no?

Nope that's age of absolutism, not revolutions.