how to deal with germany if he doesnt do molotov but has done anti SOV pact before doing danzig or war?

[melkor112]

so i am playing as the soviet union in a multiplayer game and while we wanted to do a historical game because we are all fairly new players and historical is the most 'balanced' way of playing. However Germany has done anti sov pact before doing Molotov. Because of this he can no longer do Molotov, now the game can no longer be historical however is it still playable? because of this i can no longer get my tanks and if i declare on any nation they all call each-other into a war with me. on top of that i though i had 2-3 more years so my 40 width divs all have 50% strength(i converted the starting army to a new template) and i am missing 10.000 equipment.

now i did win the Spanish civil war so Spain is my puppet so i have that and Italy released Libya and Rhodes as puppets and we are playing with all the DLC no mods. its 1939 June Germany's next focus would have been Molotov.

so is there a way to save my nation?

 

[KubiG37]

Wipe them out. All of them.
SU can do that.

Well maybe later anyway.

Why should your country be lost? War hasn't even started yet. You can research the tanks normal way as anyone else. Regarding the anti-soviet pact, it's only a defensive pact, if Germany attacks you, they won't be able to call the other nations in this pact (outside Axis). So I'd just wait for them to eventually attack you, let them grind their forces down (while giving up some territory if neccessary) and then counterattack with tank units.

Btw who else is in this multiplayer? Is Germany also a player, or is it just you and some others playing vs AIs?

 

[melkor112]

germany italy france UK and sov are in the game. the problem is that i cant get finland land and the baltics which give a quite a bit of factorys + because i cant fight a war i will have the purge the entire game which will limit my doctrine and if he would attack me now i stil would have -35% div org. and instead of 1942 il be at war in 1939-1940 which i did not prepare for so i have a massive deficit of anti tank/air and inf equipment.

 

[KubiG37]

OK I haven't got much MP experience. But remember you can get rid of the Purge penalties completely by doing the "Lessons of War" focus, which is probably still locked, but should be available the moment he attacks you. So at most 70 days of penalty.

I understand your frustration though, Baltics are pretty nice for Industry. On the other hand, at least your frontline will be shorter and more easily defensible. Finnish land is useless, there isn't anything, not even resources. Even as a puppet they're weak and more of a liability. Not worth it in general.

Edit: But for example Iran/Iraq as vassals can be very useful - Iran can be quite powerful, and the most important - you block all the Oil Axis nations can get from them and force them to import via sea - which UK/France/even you can try to sabotage.