How to crush the Bolsheviks as Germany

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As we all know (or should know) that the Germans lost to the Soviets in 3 key battles, Stalingrad, Kursk, and Leningrad. After these battles the Germans had lost almost all hope but instead of talking about losses we will be talking about how to take the USSR in the most efficient way. The Soviets will have most advantageous over you in manpower and land. However if you take out major cities early on you can destroy the already overworked factories. The Soviets will be relying on their massive military and manpower pool to beat you, so don't give them a large army by wearing down their factories. These are some steps that may help you take out the Soviets.
1). Keep at least 1 million soldiers in captured or home territory to patrol and defend against uprisings and put the rest against the Soviets (preferably play with friends so you can coordinate armies). I prefer that you and your allies have at least 5 million men against the Soviets.
2). Place your best troops and leaders typically into 3 or 4 army groups so you can easily manage and have all generals on top unit command capacity.
3). Declare war during spring.
4). Blitzkrieg through the north and south and avoid city and marsh fights in the center and try to form an encirclement on the bulge in the center surrounding the bulk of soviet troops (don't attack them much because they are in march and urban land)
5). If playing with a friend who is Italy or something like that try to have them take the brunt of Soviets (if you want to troll your friend into doing most of the fighting *highly recommended*).
6). By winter of whatever year you attacked them at you should own all land (at least 100 or 200 kilometers from the rovers) up to The Don and Donets river. This will put you at the gates of Moscow and Stalingrad. Fighting will be brutal trying to get to the rivers and cities but the Soviets will pay a higher price and can't sustain equipment loses and you should be able to after fierce fighting in woods and winter get to the rivers and cities.
7). When I play hoi3 I go for Moscow then Stalingrad and typically suffer a bitter 1 to 2 million casualties fighting for the cities but the Soviets would suffer an unsustainable casualty toll of 6 to 7 million loses. So when fighting for these cities I heavily recommend an entirely new army group of 35 to 40 divisions or 500,000 men for taking each city with a reserve of 20 divisions or 250,000 men ready to call upon for reinforcements. As an extra have your friend fight for the other city or river to suffer the same loses and speed up fighting.
8). Wearing the red army down will be catastrophic but worth the loses. Stalin will be forced to take back Moscow and Stalingrad and will be forced to throw every available man into combat but with the rivers and cities and forests to support your defense you should after another year of fighting wear down the red army thus winning the war.

This is only opinion so don't qoute me on this saying this is the ultimate strategy to win because it is not. Also I take direct command of all fighting but you don't have to so you can just have the a I fight for you but I recommend taking direct command when you near heavily fortified defenses.
Estimated casualties:
You and allies - 6.5 million
Soviets and allies - 16 million
My average casualties:
Me and my allies - 5.5 million
Soviets and allies - 14 million
 
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As we all know (or should know) that the Germans lost to the Soviets in 3 key battles, Stalingrad, Kursk, and Leningrad.

What about their loss at Moscow? Cutting the rail lines there would have really hurt the Red Army, don't you think?
 
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Don't try to win a battle of attrition. Russia can afford to take losses, Germany can't. When your offensive stalls out at the beginning of winter, fall back. (preferably after wrecking any industry in range of your bombers) Hopefully you'll be able to lure the Russians into some reckless advances that you can take advantage of. There should be lots of room to play with. If not, at least the Russians are now in the supply black hole they created when they retreated instead of you having to deal with it alone all winter.
I have no idea if this will actually work or not, I only own Darkest Hour and I can't deal with the click-fest involved with large nations like Germany or Russia to test out this plan, but I think it would certainly work better than desperately trying to hold the line at Leningrad, Moscow and Stalingrad simultaneously the way Germany tried to historically.
 
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in hoi3 i encirceld often so many soviet troops that the run out of divison in the second year - they had ic and manpower but simply not enough divisons on the board to pose a threat, i then just rolled to stalingrad and other VC with an light armor division. key is imo to keep the front tight and advance when you have the opportunity to kessel a lot of soviet soldiers. dont mind about VC only about the enemy army and big IC places (and these only when it was relative easy to capture)
 
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Encirclements not attrition are the best way to defeat the soviets. If you can swallow half the soviet army up in some big encirclements early on in barbarossa the rest is easy.
 
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Encirclements not attrition are the best way to defeat the soviets. If you can swallow half the soviet army up in some big encirclements early on in barbarossa the rest is easy.

In fairness, that was the actual plan of Barbarossa.

There were just so many more divisions than the planners anticipated, with more being created as the first six months wore on.
 
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What i have done in Hoi3 is Drive into south, and North...... While Leaving a Kiev, Homyel, Salient. Then diverting troops to cut it off, past Minsk, easy way to encircle troops.... while the reserve you have continues a push unto Moscow. What happens is the best i got from it was 33 Divisions encircled, then all where destroyed. I didn't get to Moscow on Schedule but when i did in late December, the red army just didnt have the divisions to secure its flanks, so from tula i pushed a wedge wiht 2 Panzer-divs and 3 mot, up and behind moscow, the red army fall back to avoid encirclement... what happened was Moscow was a corner, and i would soon cut it off, around late January, Mena while Leningrad and Stalingrad have fallen, and Baku is not far away..

If you manage to encircle 3 large groups each totaling about 500K-850K the war is yours if you capitalize on it. But that is the Key, Capitalizing on the Red armys failings. If you dont achieve this, you will be in for a really long war.

Once i Didnt put enough Panzers into army group south, they where bogged down in kiev, while my center was reaching Rshev, this led the war to carry out till 1944, when i finally won, but took me ages to develop a victory.
 

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Build a handful of heavy breakthrough divisions to give you mass at the critical point and a bunch of light, low fuel demand, fast motorised divisions to exploit. Smash their line with your heavy divisions and rush through the gaps with your fast divisions to encircle their army. Then exploit fast with your motor divisions. If you move fast enough you can find the gaps in second lines before they can solidify. Rush through the gaps and leave the mopping up to the infantry. Once you start encountering isolated divisions rather than larger groups, send most of your forces back to Germany to minimise supply issues. Avoid actually fighting with your motorised divisions, just isolate infantry and drive on. Destroy isolated divisions with low supply demand second line troops. You should be able to reach the key cities in a few weeks. Then you just need to isolate them and let the second line divisions reduce them.

From an early June start you should have occupied Moscow by mid July and Stalingrad by early August.

From HOI3 my standard build are:
Tank/Tank/Mot/Spart for the breakthrough divisions, mot/AC or Mot/Mot/AC for the exploitation divisions and Inf/Inf/Inf for the second line divisions. The units that get sent back after the first phase are Inf/Inf/Art/Art (and the breakthrough divisions).
 

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Go for the Ukraine encirclement. I caught 6 million Soviets in an encirclement along the Dnieper (I used paratroopers at Kherson to close the pocket before they could redeploy) while they were advancing into Romania. Over the course of 1941 I advanced to Tallinn and Pskov in the North, Minsk in the center, and the Dnieper in the south, but trapped 6 million Soviets and I finally finished them off in the winter. During the winter I redeployed my forces, made a few gains here and there, and then pushed to Leningrad, Rostov-on-Don, Voronezh, and Moscow by the end of summer. During the fall of 1942 I surrounded and took both Leningrad and Moscow, and encircled the Soviet army in Finland. At that point Soviet resistance was broken. During that winter I eliminated the Soviets in Finland, while pushing to Murmansk and Stalingrad, and by the Spring I had surrounded all Soviets in the Caucasus, taken Arkhangelsk, and was nearing Kuybyshev. The Soviets would surrender in early May (low infra delaying my Caucasus campaign was the main culprit here), just in time for me to redeploy my troops to help contain the Allied invasion of the Netherlands.

Other than wearing down the Soviets I caught in 1941 and taking Leningrad and Moscow my manpower costs were minimal.
 

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6 million? Holy crap, that is impressive.

I do wonder how the buffed encirclements will play out in HOI4. In HOI3, if you encircled a division, they were dead an hour later. In HOI4, it sounds like they will last a bit longer and fight a bit harder - which I hope is especially true for the Japanese.

But onto the topic of the USSR and Germany - you have to find a way to narrow their massive industrial and manpower advantages. This should always be done through a coordinated campaign of strategic bombing their largest industrial cities, combined with a steady advance along the Baltic coast, and through former Poland. If you can spare the troops to puppet or conquer Scandinavia, then you should be able to open an additional front (even if they won't be able to effectively beat the Soviets alone, they will further stretch their divisions. But ultimately, as everyone above is saying - you have to combine your strategic bombing with some serious butt kicking - you need to be killing 5 Soviet for every 1 German. Their manpower is insane, but it can be drained. More importantly, the Russians will be unable to supply their massive army if they have no industrial advantage left.

Of course this is all assuming you can destroy, or keep grounded, the Russian air force - which tends to become quite powerful (at least when I play Russia it does...)
 

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6 million? Holy crap, that is impressive.

Paratroopers. They can create breakthroughs and close pockets faster than anyone. I also had the good luck to catch quite a few Soviet divisions before they were able to redeploy out of the area.
 

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I think the main tactics is already described the standard encirclements in Ukraine and Belarus territory while being careful in the northern forests and marshes.

In addition to that I always went through Turkey and Caucasus with a small elite force containing some mountaineers, paratroopers, marines and air force.
You can easily take Baku and Astrakhan and then close on Stalingrad from the south. I only did Black Ice ever though, so no idea if that worked in vanilla.

I feel in HOI4 it will be even more important to take oil resources early so I think this might be a very good move. That said I'd only do it against AI, a human player will probably be aware of that danger too early and make excellent use of defensive mountain territory there to bleed your units. But against AI if you focus on eastern Mediterranean and Iran/Iraq/Syria territory before DOWing on SU you can also slightly increase the supply throughput and use these areas as a staging ground. But mainly it was mostly possible with transport supply drops and convoys from southern France to eastern coast of black sea and Crimea. It is a big question if that will still be possible in HOI4 or if units are so severely affected by supply in Caucasus that you can't make fast enough gains.
That said with even more customizing options you now have for divisions and equipment you might be able to field some very specialized, experienced and equipped out Divs there to make a huge impact even with a small, low supply footprint force.
 
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As we all know (or should know) that the Germans lost to the Soviets in 3 key battles, Stalingrad, Kursk, and Leningrad. After these battles the Germans had lost almost all hope but instead of talking about losses we will be talking about how to take the USSR in the most efficient way. The Soviets will have most advantageous over you in manpower and land. However if you take out major cities early on you can destroy the already overworked factories. The Soviets will be relying on their massive military and manpower pool to beat you, so don't give them a large army by wearing down their factories. These are some steps that may help you take out the Soviets.
1). Keep at least 1 million soldiers in captured or home territory to patrol and defend against uprisings and put the rest against the Soviets (preferably play with friends so you can coordinate armies). I prefer that you and your allies have at least 5 million men against the Soviets.
2). Place your best troops and leaders typically into 3 or 4 army groups so you can easily manage and have all generals on top unit command capacity.
3). Declare war during spring.
4). Blitzkrieg through the north and south and avoid city and marsh fights in the center and try to form an encirclement on the bulge in the center surrounding the bulk of soviet troops (don't attack them much because they are in march and urban land)
5). If playing with a friend who is Italy or something like that try to have them take the brunt of Soviets (if you want to troll your friend into doing most of the fighting *highly recommended*).
6). By winter of whatever year you attacked them at you should own all land (at least 100 or 200 kilometers from the rovers) up to The Don and Donets river. This will put you at the gates of Moscow and Stalingrad. Fighting will be brutal trying to get to the rivers and cities but the Soviets will pay a higher price and can't sustain equipment loses and you should be able to after fierce fighting in woods and winter get to the rivers and cities.
7). When I play hoi3 I go for Moscow then Stalingrad and typically suffer a bitter 1 to 2 million casualties fighting for the cities but the Soviets would suffer an unsustainable casualty toll of 6 to 7 million loses. So when fighting for these cities I heavily recommend an entirely new army group of 35 to 40 divisions or 500,000 men for taking each city with a reserve of 20 divisions or 250,000 men ready to call upon for reinforcements. As an extra have your friend fight for the other city or river to suffer the same loses and speed up fighting.
8). Wearing the red army down will be catastrophic but worth the loses. Stalin will be forced to take back Moscow and Stalingrad and will be forced to throw every available man into combat but with the rivers and cities and forests to support your defense you should after another year of fighting wear down the red army thus winning the war.

This is only opinion so don't qoute me on this saying this is the ultimate strategy to win because it is not. Also I take direct command of all fighting but you don't have to so you can just have the a I fight for you but I recommend taking direct command when you near heavily fortified defenses.
Estimated casualties:
You and allies - 6.5 million
Soviets and allies - 16 million
My average casualties:
Me and my allies - 5.5 million
Soviets and allies - 14 million

Am I the only one who invite Turkey into the Axis in order to capture the Caucasus early on? Seriously, all I see in the forums is a bunch of people not bothering to ally bring Turkey into the Axis to supress the Allied forces in the Middle East and and at least tie down a dozen russian divisions.
 
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Am I the only one who invite Turkey into the Axis in order to capture the Caucasus early on? Seriously, all I see in the forums is a bunch of people not bothering to ally bring Turkey into the Axis to supress the Allied forces in the Middle East and and at least tie down a dozen russian divisions.
Nope you aren't the only one, did that too see my post above yours :)
But I agree it works really well. But you definitely need your own elite force there, AI Turkey alone is not doing much. But you can do most of the key work with a small elite force while being covered by Turkish forces and let them mop up the rest.
 
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Am I the only one who invite Turkey into the Axis in order to capture the Caucasus early on? Seriously, all I see in the forums is a bunch of people not bothering to ally bring Turkey into the Axis to supress the Allied forces in the Middle East and and at least tie down a dozen russian divisions.

Whenever I try this, Turkey ends up getting steamrolled and then I have another front to deal with. When you're Germany you can't afford to have your forces spread thin.
 

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Turkey is an interesting "wildcard" for sure, for both sides. As the Russians, you can occupy them and then hold the straits at the Bulgarian border, or fortify in the Causcaus mountains, possibly with forts and AA, to tie up German divisions.