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TIZICUQUI

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Hello. I'm going to get to the point. I am the prince of Antioch, I was conquering some lands. The question is, can I stop being a prince and be considered a king? Since Antioch is a principality, how can I change it to a kingdom? Thanks for your responses and for reading.
 

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AFAIK, it's hardcoded in various localisation files etc - IE there is no in-game way to change the "flavour" of k_antioch from "principality" to something else. Since the "flavour" of Antioch is unique, people normally want to keep it and/or apply it to other titles... but you do you, I guess ;-p

(EDIT: For clarity, the principality of Antioch is king-tier. You're a king who calls himself a prince due to... humility? It's the same kind of idea as the king-tier ruler of Venice who calls himself "Doge" because "we're a republic and that's completely different from those nasty elective monarchies except not really".)

Probably the only thing you can do is create another kingdom title and use that as your primary title instead of Antioch. (If you are "King of Syria, Prince of Antioch" then you will be "King X of Syria".) Optionally, you could rename "Syria" to "Antioch" (requires customisation dlc) and de jure drift the entirety of k_antioch into k_syria; this gets you the title "King of Antioch", but you'll lose the unique map colour and coat of arms.

If you're willing to get into modding, it might be possible to change the unique localisation entries for Antioch back to the generic "King" etc. I think that changes to localisation don't affect the checksum, so this shouldn't block achievements.
 
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(EDIT: For clarity, the principality of Antioch is king-tier. You're a king who calls himself a prince due to... humility? It's the same kind of idea as the king-tier ruler of Venice who calls himself "Doge" because "we're a republic and that's completely different from those nasty elective monarchies except not really".)
It doesn't need to be Humility, just the Lack of Words in the english and romanic Languages. The Term Prince in this Context isn't the same as the Prince as the Child of a Ruler but more similiar to the german Princes that elected the Holy Roman Emperor. The german Term would be Fürst (just say First, it's close enough) to desribe the Electors. Fürstentum Antiochia describes the Principality of Antioch. A Prince in the Meaning of Heir on the other Hand would be the Prinz.
 

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Prince/prinz are both from latin princeps, which literally means firsthead. Doge is a variant/slang for latin dux, literally leader. The same word that later becomes duke.
 

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It doesn't need to be Humility, just the Lack of Words in the english and romanic Languages. The Term Prince in this Context isn't the same as the Prince as the Child of a Ruler but more similiar to the german Princes that elected the Holy Roman Emperor. The german Term would be Fürst (just say First, it's close enough) to desribe the Electors. Fürstentum Antiochia describes the Principality of Antioch. A Prince in the Meaning of Heir on the other Hand would be the Prinz.
Prince/prinz are both from latin princeps, which literally means firsthead. Doge is a variant/slang for latin dux, literally leader. The same word that later becomes duke.

Note to self: Don't try to be funny on the internet. ;-p
 

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Prince/prinz are both from latin princeps, which literally means firsthead. Doge is a variant/slang for latin dux, literally leader. The same word that later becomes duke.
Yes but to explain the Difference between a Prince as a Ruler and a Prince as an Heir is easier to explain by using the Comparison to the HRE, since most on this Forum should know about Princely Elective....
Note to self: Don't try to be funny on the internet. ;-p
Yeah, there could always being a German reading and hating you for it.