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balmung60

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What happened is that certain cultures (such as Manchu and Japanese) localize "king" to "emperor" and "kingdom" to "empire", much like how Muslims localize "king" to "sultan".

They still have a normal government, unlike Byzantium and Ming, but they call themselves empires.
 

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"Empire" government is availible to Byzantium only in EU4 and is equivalent to "Absolute Monarchy", unlocked at Adm-20 level.
No it isn't. It's not even close. Absolute monarchy is +5% discipline, -1 national unrest, and -0.2 LA/mo. Empire (which is much worse) is +20% income from vassals, +5% land morale, and -0.1 LA/mo.
 

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No it isn't. It's not even close. Absolute monarchy is +5% discipline, -1 national unrest, and -0.2 LA/mo. Empire (which is much worse) is +20% income from vassals, +5% land morale, and -0.1 LA/mo.

Yes, I missed that morale/discipline difference...
 

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Eh, it's barely a sidegrade from a crappy feudal monarchy other than the LA reduction, even with working vassal income modifiers.

Would I rather have an iqta? Yes, I would...maybe? Maybe not. Those are easier to just switch when convenient so I think so.

However, I'd rather have an empire than a standard monarchy. Admin monarchy has arguably better stuff, arguably not, but you get it at ADM 12 rather than 3 and it's arguably comparable. Feudal and despotic are worse due to the lack of -LA and not having super amazing bonuses otherwise.

The next earliest monarchy? Absolute, at tech 20, roughly the mid-1600's. Sure, at that point you can get significantly better monarchies. However, at that point, you already have a stable core of 0 LA provinces and likely a massive income regardless. Empire > standard monarchy (with exceptions for stuff like France going Absolute early) for around half of the game, and it's the half that carries the most weight.
 

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Aaahhh ... EMPIRE ... is always better - whatever feature it offers because it just has the special "look & feel". Those little things keep me motivated to stay with any campaign longer ... :rolleyes: