We can change that... easily...I thought RELee was our oldest member?
How to avoid unnecessary DRM
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Well you can buy key's from other site's and use them on steam. For example i didn't buy a CK2 dlc from steam for a looong time. I mostly buy them on Green Man Gaming as they usually have those nifty 20% off cupons that work on CK2 dlc's, and then i get a steam code and shove it inside steam.
Both GG and Steam have regularly -75% sales. As for spending money on EU3, I have bought the game and all expansions at release, so I think I've sank about €130 into the game.
Hmm first question to ask is, do you only have the base EU3 game? It is a good game but the expansions are what makes it from good ---> my favourite strategy game of all time.
Ah never mind I noticed you have EU3: Chronicles. You do realise that includes all expansions released for EU3 and the base game is a shadow of the one you are playing? I don't think anybody has ever had a problem with expansions, they expand content on your favourite game... great!
Well DLCs are simply just small expansions, that is the only difference. Now of course Paradox could have bundled Muslim & Pagan rulers together in an Non-Christian playing expansion and charged £25 (I believe the two DLCs were/are £15 & £10 when first released) which was typical major expansion price unless my memory has deserted me. But what if somebody just wants to bring Thor to those silly Christians? He/She now has to pay an extra £10 for wasted content.
Furthermore those two DLCs aren't small little additions but add major content to the game. YOU get to choose which parts you like & which parts you don't. YOU get to pay less for that content and not waste any money.
Lastly if you take anything from this post please remember EU3: Chronicles is EU3 base game with (I think?) 4 expansions in one bundle. Had you bought EU3 on day one (I am assuming you didn't because a) you joined March 12, b) you have chronicles instead of the base + expansions icons and c) you seem to believe that is the base game - I apologise if my assumptions are incorrect or unreasonable) you would have had to pay more than the current "€100" for all CKII content.
P.S. on that €100 thing. When Paradox brought out Old Gods then gave CKII plus all DLC for 75% off!! That is amazing, many companies lower the price of the base game with new DLC but including all other DLC and with a whooping 75%. Great move Paradox.
If you can wait for 1-2 years before buy EU3 chronicle, you can do the same with CK2, wait 2 year before buy everything in one big discount.
it's all good and peachy but since few months back when I run CK2 without Steam I don't have any DLC's activated ingame, which might as well be as not running without Steam at all. Could be problem on my side, there was even thread about it, but we were unable to find reason why.
You have to run the game with the DLC once with Steam, then you can use them without them without Steam
Thanks for the input, and I don't plan to sound mean, but I linked thread discussing it and if you want you can take a peak there and see that not only did we do that, but much much more
Since adds are everywhere, I cannot understand they still work. Most of the time my brain just filters them out.
Also: Swedish public broadcast doesn't have adds?
Nobody eats at McDonalds because of their commercials, yet everyone has eaten at McDonalds...
Well in my drunken hangover state my brain resembles a zombie & a McDonalds breakfast advert is like siren's call
Just wanted to chime in saying I'm disappointed that Paradox won't be offering EU4 without Steam. I stopped playing the Football Manager games, now I'll stop buying Paradox games as well.
I love digital distribution - I bought all my Paradox titles at GamersGate. But I don't like Steam.
I know, Paradox won't care. But I wanted to tell that one guy who said he's not going to buy it on Steam that I won't either. So, now they've lost two customers.
I love digital distribution - I bought all my Paradox titles at GamersGate. But I don't like Steam.
I know, Paradox won't care. But I wanted to tell that one guy who said he's not going to buy it on Steam that I won't either. So, now they've lost two customers.
Unless Paradox have been spewing pure unadulterated bafflegab for the past year, I'd say that the initial purchase price will give you an out-of-the-box experience superior to any expansion/patch state of EU3.
Agreed. Unless it's all lies, it should defiantly be at least base EU3 and most is not all Expansions.
Am I the only one who generally has Steam in Offline mode?
Generally only turns it on maybe once in 2 weeks, maybe more if I'm playing a MMO through Steam or looking for a much needed patch.
Still plays games just fine.
I just don't have any multiplayer features, which is fine... that's the idea behind offline mode.
I just turn it on to play with buds.
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If you guys want to take a look at a horrible monopoly, take a look at Canadian telecommunications companies.
[Bell, Telus and Rogers]
Steam and its competitors are fantastic in comparison.
Generally only turns it on maybe once in 2 weeks, maybe more if I'm playing a MMO through Steam or looking for a much needed patch.
Still plays games just fine.
I just don't have any multiplayer features, which is fine... that's the idea behind offline mode.
I just turn it on to play with buds.
Edit:
If you guys want to take a look at a horrible monopoly, take a look at Canadian telecommunications companies.
[Bell, Telus and Rogers]
Steam and its competitors are fantastic in comparison.
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What so you can't deal with installing EU4 through Steam then straight after installing Steam? Also it would cost more for Paradox to sell through other channels & considering only 5% of people bought CKII not from Steam it simply isn't economically worth it (Information from a post by Johan a while back - I apologise if I have remembered anything incorrectly but I'm sure I have not)
Also Steam is fantastic and much better than any other digital distribution channel. I don't understand how you couldn't like it, but that's your choice. However is installing a program for a small limited time (and then uninstalling afterwards) to play a game you like such a big deal?
You don't even need to buy through Steam, can simply buy through GG.
I did that, and apparently I get Steam anyway.
A company whose product/service is compulsory never remains friendly and docile. Anti-steam people are talking about what's behind the curtain, not the cooing blonde floor models waving us in. No corporation wants to conquer the known world (other than the PLA and MicroSoft). Many service companies want to pin customers against the wall and run their pockets.
Even if they're not running our pockets just yet, we resent being pinned against the wall.
Paradox chose to have Steam compulsory (for install ONLY) because it made economic sense & they could use the amazing Steamworks. I don't know how this is anti-Steam it's not like they forced Paradox over a desk and made them make it Steam only. (I don't have any problem with it being so, just seems a lot of the attack is about compulsory Steam)
Also the conquering bit was a joke about how paranoid most of the anti-Steam cult seem to be.
Having to install a program is hardly being pinned against a wall and the comparisons with Microsoft are just completely wrong.
In what way is Valve 'pinning you to the wall'? Are they forcing you to download Steam? No. The publishers decide whether or not to use Steam. Are the publishers forcing you to buy the game? No. You decide whether or not to buy the game.
Good grief, conspiracy theorists these days.
Steam has been around for ages by now, and time has only made me more positive to it. When it first came out we were very unhappy, but now I've spent thousands of dollars on games on Steam because it's so damn convenient.
Pinning against the wall was a metaphor for requiring Steam. By making something mandatory we're at the mercy of the people running that mandatory thing.
See above on pinning against the wall. We're discussing whether Paradox requiring Steam was a good thing or a bad thing, or more specifically whether people who are upset by it are therefore crazy conspiracy theorists. Responding to people who say that Paradox made a poor choice, and explain why they think that, by saying 'don't buy the game' doesn't show a great deal of heft. You're just picking up our marbles and going home
We don't have to have Steam running to play (let's see how long that lasts), but we are required to have it to install or update. If you cannot see why people suspect that bad things can come from that, I have to wonder how hard you're trying.
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