How to avoid Liberal Rev.?

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hello folks,

I took a look at the forum but couldnt find an answer to my problem.

http://www.paradoxian.org/vickywiki...estions#Can_I_avoid_the_Liberal_Revolution.3F

I tried this but didnt work at all.
I play Ricky 2.01

 

[Pal]

If you are a democracy, then the liberal revolution is kind of good for you and shouldn't be avoided. If you're anything but a German minor, the libRev is quite easy to get over. A few months of increased revolt risk are nothing of major concern anyway. Just have 3-9 divisions ready to kill the revolters.

 

[Orm]

hello folks,

I took a look at the forum but couldnt find an answer to my problem.



I tried this but didnt work at all.
I play Ricky 2.01

The article you linked is incorrect. It's not sufficient to have just one of the conditions mentioned met to avoid the LR.
The trigger for LR is:

trigger = {
		civilized = yes
		OR = {
			NOT = { constitution = { type = democracy } }
			NOT = { reform = { type = trade_unions level = all } }
			NOT = { reform = { type = voting_rights level = suffrage } }		
			NOT = { reform = { type = political_parties level = all } }
			NOT = { reform = { type = press_rights level = free_press } }
		}
		literacy = 0.003
		NOT = { local_flag = { name = LIBERAL_REVOLUTION value = 1 } }
	}

This means you have to have democracy, all trade unions allowed, suffrage voting rights, all parties allowed and free press. (The other conditions in the trigger are that you're civilized, you have literacy over 30% and that LR hasn't already happened [duh]).

The article may be based on older patches or vanilla Vicky (not Revolutions). (Edit: I saw now that it says 1.03 in the article, so it's not for Revolutions)

 

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The article you linked is incorrect. It's not sufficient to have just one of the conditions mentioned met to avoid the LR.
The trigger for LR is:

trigger = {
		civilized = yes
		OR = {
			NOT = { constitution = { type = democracy } }
			NOT = { reform = { type = trade_unions level = all } }
			NOT = { reform = { type = voting_rights level = suffrage } }		
			NOT = { reform = { type = political_parties level = all } }
			NOT = { reform = { type = press_rights level = free_press } }
		}
		literacy = 0.003
		NOT = { local_flag = { name = LIBERAL_REVOLUTION value = 1 } }
	}

This means you have to have democracy, all trade unions allowed, suffrage voting rights, all parties allowed and free press. (The other conditions in the trigger are that you're civilized, you have literacy over 30% and that LR hasn't already happened [duh]).

The article may be based on older patches or vanilla Vicky (not Revolutions).

That seems weird. You have to have full suffrage by 1848??? Shouldn't this be scaled down to require just wealth voting rights? All democratic countries I can remember (except for the US if I am right) had property or tax qualifications. The elections for the Frankfurt assembly in the German states had it as well, I remember reading that only ~5%-10% of the population was allowed to vote at all.

 

[Orm]

That seems weird. You have to have full suffrage by 1848??? Shouldn't this be scaled down to require just wealth voting rights? All democratic countries I can remember (except for the US if I am right) had property or tax qualifications. The elections for the Frankfurt assembly in the German states had it as well, I remember reading that only ~5%-10% of the population was allowed to vote at all.

IIRC the US had some sort of wealth requirement as well, not sure about it though. I agree that the requirement to be a full-blown democracy to avoid LR is weird, but nevertheless those are the trigger conditions.

 

[EUnderhill]

IIRC the US had some sort of wealth requirement as well, not sure about it though. I agree that the requirement to be a full-blown democracy to avoid LR is weird, but nevertheless those are the trigger conditions.

It is difficult to model the US in these terms, given the great variance in different states and even counties

 

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I guess if the event happens to "progressive" constitutional monarchies you could always explain it as really radical liberals wanting even more reforms. Anarcho-liberals or Jacobins who want to do away with the whole monarchy thing...

 

[unity100]

if i go liberal with a democracy in place liberal revolution ends as soon as it starts for me.

 

[Zanza]

The elections for the Frankfurt assembly in the German states had it as well, I remember reading that only ~5%-10% of the population was allowed to vote at all.

More like 80-90% of the males. So much closer to universal suffrage than to wealth only.