How to avoid excessive production of units?

[wosung]

Personnaly I find this is one of the main design problems of HOI:

AI tends to continuously produce units and on and on. No mod, HOI game or what not manages to reproduce some historically valid numbers:

IRL, Italian forces in North Africa numbered some 15 divs, not 30+. IJA Forces in China numbered some 30 divs, not 60+.

DH takes the route of mobilization events so to limit manpower. In mods I've seen other historical production events, like "now you get an airforce" or events dealing with IC or resources. But in the end nothing really seems to work out. Because AI produces on and on, w/o any fixed limit. Part of the problem is that the AI files dealing with unit production only seem to deal with relative production priorities but not with absolute limits.

As for the ITA and JAP example above, reducing manpower from the start doesn't really help. For then it just takes AI longer to get to those high production numbers.

Any thoughts or hints?

Regards

 

[Fernando Torres]

There are tons of other AI modifiers that one could use to tweak it.
Check the misc.txt :

ai = {
# Overproduce of supplies when below desired supplies level (percentage of needed supplies)
	0.2
# Multiplier on overproduce supplies when at war
	2.0
# Do not produce supplies when current supply stockpile is greater then THIS * max supply production (all IC to supplies). This overrides all other settings.
	7.0 #10000
# Do not start producing any new units when more then THIS percentage of the total IC is needed to supply existing units (0.0 to 1.0; 1.0 = 100%, disabled). Enabling this will encourage AI to build more IC when this ratio is exceeded.
	0.25 #1.0
# Military Strength to Total IC ratio during Peacetime for AI countries (do not build new units if above this ratio). Use -1.0 to disable this.
	-1.0 #-1.0 
# Military Strength to Total IC ratio during Wartime for AI countries (do not build new units if above this ratio). Use -1.0 to disable this.
	-1.0 #-1.0
# Military Strength to Total IC ratio for AI major countries (multiplied on the other).
	1.0 #1.0
# Do not use Offensive supply when supplies stockpile is below THIS * critical supply threshold.
	1.0 #1.0
# Do not use Offensive supply when oil stockpile is below THIS * critical oil threshold.
  	1.0 #1.0
# Do not Offensive supply unit if its ESE is greater then THIS.
	0.8 #0.8
# Do not Offensive supply unit if its average (for all divisions) ORG or STR damage (in % of max) is above THIS. [ 0.2 - skip units with less then 80% remaining STR or ORG of the max]
	0.2 #0.2
# Disables AI Peacetime offensive spy missions: 0 = all are allowed; 1 = Assassination, Coup, Fund Partisans and Nuclear sabotage are disabled; 2 = (1) + Delay TT and Disrupt Prod. are disabled.
	1 #1
# AI spy missions cost modifier: 1.0 = No change; 0.5 = 50% discount; 2.0 = doubled cost.
	0.6 #1.0
# AI diplo missions cost modifier: 1.0 = No discount; 0.5 = 50% discount; 2.0 = doubled cost. Note: Demand territory and Trade deals are for free.
	0.6 #0.6
# AI influence modifier. Reduce or increase number of Influence missions AI does: 1 = no change; 0 = No influence missions; 2 = doubled.
	0.25 #1.0
# New DoW rules (AI only) - disallow DoW between alliance members if alliance leaders have NAP. Disallow DoW to or by puppets. 1 - Enabled, 0 - Disabled.
	1 #0
# Puppets should join Master's war if AI Neutrality is equal or greater then THIS. Note: this works only if puppet is not part of Master's alliance! 0 = always join Master's wars
	150 #0
# Use new AI release rules – all countries can release puppets even when at war. 1 – Yes, 0 – No
	1 #0
# AI events action selection rules:
# 0-100 : Chance for the first valid action to be chosen. Remaining valid actions have equal chances. Used for events that do not have valid action with AI chance set, else AI chances are used
# -1 : Random - every valid action has the same chance. Used for events that do not have valid action with AI chance set, else AI chances are used
# -2 : Historical - First valid action is always selected. Used for events that do not have valid action with AI chance set, else AI chances are used
# -3 : Forced historical - First valid action is always selected if there is no AI chances set for a valid action, else - (first) valid action with the highest AI chance set is selected
     85 #85
# Force strategic redeployment if movement time is longer then X hours. Overrides default AI settings! -1 – Disable, Else time in hours
	1440 #-1
# Use quick area check (Garrison AI) - could be inaccurate in some rare cases. 1 - Enabled, 0 - Disabled
	1 # 0
# AI masters get all provinces conquered by AI puppets. 1 – Yes, 0 – No (old rules)
	1 #0
# Min. days after last province controller change required for the AI to release a country using that province. Used by revolters too.
	90 #90
}

 

[wosung]

Thank you.

 

[Stahl-Opa]

It's a bit Necrophilia to write in this thread but:

What is the meaning of "Military Strength to Total IC ratio for AI major countries --> 1.00"

WHat means this? For every IC 1 division? A Country with 20 IC build not more divisions/airsquadrons/ships then 20 etc?

Greez
StahlOpa

 

[Geredis]

It's a bit Necrophilia to write in this thread but:

First of all it's necroMANCY not necrophilia. I'm not sure you want to bed a rotting corpse, Stahl-Opa...but whatever floats your boat!

As for that ratio, I'm not entirely sure either, but I think that sounds like a good guess, though I think what it might really mean is that it wants its military force's IC worth to be equal to the country's IC value.

So as we know, an Infantry Division (if I recall) costs 3 IC, correct? Thus, a country with 20 IC will want a minimum of 6 or 7 Infantry Divisions for the country, which is then modified by size, Manpower constraints, the nations around it, and stuff like that. And further more, it also wants to maintain military industrial production at a rate of 100% of whatever it decides the optimum ratio is. Thus, for your 20IC country, if it decides that it needs to spend 75% of its IC in production, it then will ensure that it always has at least 15 IC worth of military units in the queue at any moment.

I could be wrong on this since I've never actually played with these values or looked into it all that much by automating industry while playing as a major (I assume the same AI rules would apply in this situation too if you gave it total industrial control), but it does seem quite logical.

 

[MartinBG]

This ratio is a bit artificial as (IIRC) it doesn't reflect actual unit modifiers, but only unit types. Each has a "value" that is added together and then the result is divided by the total IC of the country or something like that.
Actually the result of that operation can be seen in savedebug.txt for every country when you load/start a new game (and probably debug log is set to 1 in settings.cfg). These numbers should give you some practical hints on how to use the modifier in misc.txt if you decide to use it at all.

 

[Stahl-Opa]

okay, I think I has to try und test a lot of diffrent Ratio, but I hope it works. I wanna reach a Limit of ~200 Divisons at 500IC

Thanks for the help

First of all it's necroMANCY not necrophilia. I'm not sure you want to bed a rotting corpse, Stahl-Opa...but whatever floats your boat!

oh my god, where was my brain in this Moment?! Sorry, of course I mean necromancy :S


edit:

(german reich)Military Scores - Total(Army/Air/Naval): 183.48(84.30/52.17/47.01) , Total IC: 163.00, Ratio = 1.13

# Military Strength to Total IC ratio during Peacetime for AI countries (do not build new units if above this ratio). Use -1.0 to disable this.
	1.0 #-1.0 
# Military Strength to Total IC ratio during Wartime for AI countries (do not build new units if above this ratio). Use -1.0 to disable this.
	1.0 #-1.0
# Military Strength to Total IC ratio for AI major countries (multiplied on the other).
	1.0 #1.0

--> means the Ratio is 1 (3rd Ratio is 1, multiplied with the 1st or 2nd = 1x1 = 1)
---->means that the german empire with a Ratio of 1.13 will not build new Units untill the Ratio reachs <1?
------>means that the reich Needs more total IC or less Units to reduce the Ratio from 1.13 to <1?

right?