How stable is Commonwealth

[Heretic]

Ok, I have a monster commonwealth formed from Poland + Lithuania.
I made friemds with them , but in our last war they wimped out and took 'annul treaties' with me.

Are they likely to break up through events or unrest later on?

 

[Stategem161803]

Uber stable. Commonwealth is eastern France now. They will westernize early now too, so you will have a hard time getting a tech lead.

 

[Agius]

Stable as long as they are ruled by House of Jagiellon. Shit events come after new House is elected.

 

[Krajzen]

Honestly I think they are overpowered now with Lucky status

I think they should either have Winged Hussars idea nerf (in the entire game there is not a single idea/thing which gives +33% combat ability, except Poland!) or have worse tax/manpower or be less stable.



In my current game Commonwealth is ridiculously OP - I am Ottoman Empire, I have lands from Tunis through Arabia to Croatia and Crimea, I am allied with giant powerful French Colonial Empire and with united Scandinavia with top quality army, and we all had recently war with LONE Commonwealth. COMMONWEALTH IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DESTROY. More impossible to destroy than France or Russia. My super powerful alliance needed 7 years (!) to achieve warscore of 37 (!!!) and we all had to sent 100% of our troops to Poland to survive + hire 50 000 of mercenaries + take a lot of loans. I repeat: France + Scandinavia + Ottoman Empire vs Commonwealth which has no allies and only 'historical' lands. After 7 years of war Commonwealth STILL had 60 000 of soldiers and was still completely impossible to carpet siege, stackwipe, implode or anything. It is absolutely terrifying.

 

[Stategem161803]

Honestly I think they are overpowered now with Lucky status

I think they should either have Winged Hussars idea nerf (in the entire game there is not a single idea/thing which gives +33% combat ability, except Poland!) or have worse tax/manpower or be less stable.



In my current game Commonwealth is ridiculously OP - I am Ottoman Empire, I have lands from Tunis through Arabia to Croatia and Crimea, I am allied with giant powerful French Colonial Empire and with united Scandinavia with top quality army, and we all had recently war with LONE Commonwealth. COMMONWEALTH IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DESTROY. More impossible to destroy than France or Russia. My super powerful alliance needed 7 years (!) to achieve warscore of 37 (!!!) and we all had to sent 100% of our troops to Poland to survive + hire 50 000 of mercenaries + take a lot of loans. I repeat: France + Scandinavia + Ottoman Empire vs Commonwealth which has no allies and only 'historical' lands. After 7 years of war Commonwealth STILL had 60 000 of soldiers and was still completely impossible to carpet siege, stackwipe, implode or anything. It is absolutely terrifying.

In my first AOW game, I tried to solo them as Denmark with half of their troops. You can guess how that turned out.

I did come back and beat them though. They play very similar to France as the AI now.

 

[987655mm]

The Commonwealth isn't as stable Stategem has stated, but they sure can pack a punch. You gotta hit them early and hit them hard or they will be very strong.

 

[BarskiPatzow]

In my Byz game, me and HRE roflstomped them I'm such a traitor... hehehe

 

[Stategem161803]

The Commonwealth isn't as stable Stategem has stated, but they sure can pack a punch. You gotta hit them early and hit them hard or they will be very strong.

How did you not just confirm my point? Have you seen a unified Commonwealth break into a bunch of revolters? Because I havent.

If you let Commonwealth form, they will be more or less a France in the east.

Whatever though. Disagree to Agree.

 

[Dustman]

I personally consider their ideas to be the best military set in the game, better than Swedish, Prussian or Ottos. But they work well only after Winged Hussars. Prior to that Poland/Commonwealth faces too many mighty opponents on all fronts.

Good way to deal with such monsters, be it BBB, Commonwealth or Ottos, is to wage one war after another, draining them of manpower and forcing spending MPs on stab and quenching WE. White peace allows new DoW in just five years, slowly building up their debt, reducing stab and leading to tech backwardness (well, mil points aren't affected much). It requires you to have few good armies that might win vs. blobs in favorable position on home terrain, preferably with good generals.

 

[Payens]

Commonwealth seems super stable, and I quite like the "Eastern France" definition of them. They sure pack a punch and don't seem to have any internal problems. Not sure why you people are so eager to destroy them though. I allied them. Seems way more effective

 

[Krajzen]

Honestly so far they seem very unrealistic for me as I know history of my country and uhm Commonwealth was... Extremely assymetric, awesome on some fields (elite armies capable of beating much bigger enemies, brilliant religious tolerance, pretty 'democratic' noble republic) and completely retarded on others (eternal struggle between nobles and kings, complete lack of significant medium class/crazy economy). Seeing it being France 2.0 is a bit strange for me.

I think they should be nerfed a bit

 

[unmerged(142882)]

In my Knights game, Austria and company managed to destroy the PU of Poland/Lithuania and managed to chop up poland pretty bad in 2 wars. This is of course horrible news because I feel the Ottomans sharpening their swords and mop the floor with me.

 

[Incompetent]

I think they should either have Winged Hussars idea nerf (in the entire game there is not a single idea/thing which gives +33% combat ability, except Poland!) or have worse tax/manpower or be less stable.

Winged Hussars is a bit insane, but you need something dramatic for superior cavalry to make a significant difference in Europe past the first 100 years or so. It's not like you'll be fielding 100% cavalry armies, and horses are still expensive even with the discounts.

I think the inherent weaknesses of the Commonwealth should probably be reflected in LA-related difficulties. For instance, there should be frequent 'magnate grows in power' events where provinces gain increased LA (representing the fact that the money is going to the magnate, not to the king). Also, the Elective Monarchy government shouldn't have any bonus to LA reduction (like how it is for Feudal Monarchy).

 

[Heretic]

I got my answer -

Pretty stable until they have a stack of 98 rebels that they can't remove.
Then they disintigrate into 4 countries that then don't do anything much.

 

[CommunistCookie]

All my recent games have seen Poland blob into Hungary and take Danzig/Ostpreussen, making them really strong and prohibiting Prussia from forming.

 

[Pugman]

If you have lucky nations on they are stable (I don't play that way). Also they get a lot of stability from Humanism once they've completed that.

 

[finkellll]

Apparently I'm the outlier this time, they are super unstable for me.

 

[Lord Finnish]

In my games they always implode in 18th century.

 

[Kirikano]

Extremely stable. Lucky status really helped Poland in the early game, which is what is important. The luck + unrest changes means that Poland isn't nearly as likely to have rebel problems as they used to, and are much more likely to beat up TO, LO, and Hungary early, really stabilizing their power. Once Commonwealth forms, they can really dominate the power balance in the east as France does now and Russia used to. Especially since Muscovy and Ottomans have some early game problems this patch. Muscovy seems to actually lose their first war against either Novgorod or Kazan quite often now, while the Ottomans no longer seems to expand quite as quickly. Some combination of QQ, Mamluks, and Timurids always seems to keep them contained so they no longer power spike as fast as they used to. I've even seen Ottomans disintegrate to rebels several times when before it was extremely rare.