Simple Question.
How many of you want a new FocusTree for Italy?
Please vote.
Thanks & Greetings
How many of you want a new FocusTree for Italy?
Please vote.
Thanks & Greetings
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How popular is Italy?
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I was really hoping it would be part of this dlc. Still, I do not lose hope; it should be coming to our computers sometime soon...
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Italy is in dire need of rework regardless of how popular it is. As is the USSR.
I've often argued the Yugoslav - Greek part of the German focus tree should be part of the Italian focus tree instead. Germany can have a "support Italian claims" focus or something.
I've often argued the Yugoslav - Greek part of the German focus tree should be part of the Italian focus tree instead. Germany can have a "support Italian claims" focus or something.
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The real question how fun it is?
It is not fun to play as italy and its not because of the tree. It cant produce any drama other than "there we go italy failed again" it doesnt produce any exitement.
It is not fun to play as italy and its not because of the tree. It cant produce any drama other than "there we go italy failed again" it doesnt produce any exitement.
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Italy is a preferred Axis country for me. I dislike playing as Germany.
Italy is fun because you can do navy and fight in the Med and North Africa. However, there's not much programmed in the game for fun stuff. You just go and fight, that's it.
Italy is fun because you can do navy and fight in the Med and North Africa. However, there's not much programmed in the game for fun stuff. You just go and fight, that's it.
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Well it's one of the Axis majors so in any of our MP:s, it's gonna be played by somebody.
It's kinda lame as it is, though.
It's kinda lame as it is, though.
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In fairness it was kind of lame in real life, but so was France and Bulgaria and Turkey, etc. and they'll have better gameplay mechanics than Italy.
Edit: To clarify, I don't mean these countries were lame, just that their roles in WW2 are al less glamorous historically than say, UK, USA, Japan, Germany, USSR.
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Well yes, exactly. Portugal has a whole pile of different things it can get up to, Spain has this overly complicated mechanic for it's civil war, meanwhile Italy gets some factories and can choose whether to befriend yugoslavia or unfriend yugoslavia.
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Besides needing more options, Italy's tree needs a rework that actually engages with why it did so poorly historically. There were a lot of domestic factors that players should have to deal with too.
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I like Italy, is not "that bad". Although it needs a new Focus Tree. Being one of the major, located in the Mediterranean Sea and with the feet in Africa, Italy can have a lot of potential. Also, I like African campaigns.
I'm sure the Italian rework will restrict/nerf the Italian players by introducing economic and political difficulties they really had.
And after that a lot of players will complain that it isn't so trivial to revive the Roman Empire and so Italy is unplayable
And after that a lot of players will complain that it isn't so trivial to revive the Roman Empire and so Italy is unplayable
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Absolutely not. Italy, played right on historical settings is a powerhouse. They absolutely can become the strongest nation in the game, fairly easily. Not as easily as Britain, Germany or the Soviets, but easy nonetheless. Games not TOO difficult as a major to be fair.
As long as it gets some major buffs to compensate. For balance reasons of course. Nerfing it would be silly considering its still the 'worst' major in the game, arguably with france.
I'm sure the Italian rework will restrict/nerf the Italian players by introducing economic and political difficulties they really had.
And after that a lot of players will complain that it isn't so trivial to revive the Roman Empire and so Italy is unplayable
Game doesn't need to be Dark Souls. It's good that the game isn't too difficult to jump into.
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Just play mods like Total War, BICE or Hearts of Oak.
They have awesome focus trees for Italy.
They have awesome focus trees for Italy.
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this link explain much things can italy have lost not his fault (the sudden death of a character is inevitable, for example Balbo, but, probably if Mussolini had given the ok to attack Balbo immediately, he would have survived) but some things were very avoidable: The allies congratulated themselves on the accuracy of the Italians in shooting. Too bad that the bullets often did not explode. Why? Because Mussolini (or whoever for him) put political enemies (Democrats, Republicans, Communists etc) to work in military industries ... and obviously sabotaged weapons / ammunition other.
Mussolini was often ill advised: Many of his men advised him badly or out of fear (of being fired) or really badly to make him wrong and return the situation "as before" (before the march on Rome).
The king was a problem: It is not known precisely whether Mussolini or Hitler said it. But practically Mussolini complained that he could never do what he totally wanted because he did not have full powers (Hitler did) and had to bow his head to the "friends of the king" (big industry, landowners etc, all "personal" that Hitler had folded you have his interests and not the other way around)
The tugsten for Germany / Italy (useful for jet engines / bullets / armor tanks etc) could arrive via Spain paying the trouble to Franco. (The UK had bought all the Portuguese production to deprive Germany).
Mussolini was often ill advised: Many of his men advised him badly or out of fear (of being fired) or really badly to make him wrong and return the situation "as before" (before the march on Rome).
The king was a problem: It is not known precisely whether Mussolini or Hitler said it. But practically Mussolini complained that he could never do what he totally wanted because he did not have full powers (Hitler did) and had to bow his head to the "friends of the king" (big industry, landowners etc, all "personal" that Hitler had folded you have his interests and not the other way around)
The tugsten for Germany / Italy (useful for jet engines / bullets / armor tanks etc) could arrive via Spain paying the trouble to Franco. (The UK had bought all the Portuguese production to deprive Germany).
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Italy, in it's current state when in competent player hands, can do a lot more than "there we go Italy failed again".
Italy's problem isn't that it's too weak in gameplay, but that it lacks a ton of flavour content about it's economic and political situation in the 1930s and 40s, and has no real alt-history paths in it's focus tree to speak off.
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And ironically the general not make stop for 4 month after the DOW, but attack the same day and in the 100% of my game enter in cairo withouth my help (via land or via naval invasion)
Nice to see that I am not the only one who likes to play with Italy ;D
greetings
greetings
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The flavor of the economic and political situation isn't really something it desperately needs. It just needs a bigger focus tree with more things. If they were to include political and economic nerfs to Italy, which I am okay with, it -has- to be done with also large buffs and such to be given down the focus tree. Early conquests and manpower are something Italy could desperately use.
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I play italy all the time as the lack of resources causes each choice to be more important leading to more "important decisions" and thus greater depth of gameplay.
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