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Greven,

I had no intent to insult and admit my post is not terribly diplomatic in tone. But really I am rather concerned about EU2 not being as radical a change as IMO it should be. (I'd rather wait a bit.)

As for the political model I have described elsewhere, I may be overemphasizing class interests, but believe that there were just as many class conflicts in that time. The difference is that in the 19th century class consciousness grew considerably.

As long as there is some kind of constitutional/political model that is not overly simplistic, I'll be happy. There would of course be the chance to set up an absolutist regime as well. Sadly, the amount of depth I would like presumably cannot be incorporated in a game that spans four hundred years.

In any case, I hope you will include some kind of dynastic model.

Back to Bonaparte and the changes of the Revolution:

I agree somewhat with the opinion voiced that the Napoleonic era is beyond EU's grasp. EU is really geopolitically rather static and not the wild affair that the era in question was. If France gains a sudden hardcoded strength that seriously lets her dominate Europe as no one since the Charlemagne had, other players/nations will feel rather cheated after all their efforts.

Should France however not have a special impact in the time, then that would equally seem strange.

I think that the Revolution and Napoleonic Wars really deserve a game on its own, covering a similar scale to "Empires in Arms".
 
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Originally posted by Clemens August

Should France however not have a special impact in the time, then that would equally seem strange.

No it wouldn't. There are a million and one different ways in which Napoleon could have had zero impact on the world, and the dominant country of the early 1800's been somebody other than France.
 

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Originally posted by Heyesey


Has the possibility never occurred to you that maybe these things won't actually happen in most Grand Campaigns?

*sarcasm mode on* What? In my Grand Campaigns everything happened exactly as it did in real life. It was really odd for Spain to annex Portugal since Portugal was a major and all...and then the Spanish would always unsuccessfully attempt to invade England. It was also kind of weird how Austria would ALWAYS try to conquer Germany in 1618 only to always make peace in 1648...and how Poland always got partitioned by Prussia, Russia, and Austria even though Poland was a major was always a little weird.*sarcasm mode off*

*ahem* Yes I obviously realized that but has the possibility never occured to you that maybe people might play something besides the grand campaign? That maybe somebody might play a napoleonic scenario where only the Napoleonic wars would be played out? God knows if such a scenario was available I would play it and I bet many other players would. I thought I made that clear in my post that I was talking about a scenario not 1789 to 1815 playing out the same in every Grand Campaign!
 

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Originally posted by alvaro
Even more Heyesey, if any of us is playing France and the revolution really gives you good adventages you can be pretty sure that the revolution will come in the early XVII. :D
We will find the way!

Right! All of us anti-monarchists would be working to make the King as oppressive as possible to bring down the Monarchy! Vive La Revolution Gloriouse de 1419, La Pucelle pour President! :D
 

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I have a very distinct feeling that there is going to be an awful heavy deployment of the new "custom events" in France circa Napoleon's age. A very heavy deployment. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this era was one of the bigger reasons to create such a system...
 
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"Events" are the worse solution. It would be far better to simulate the factors behinf the Revolution and the unleashing of energy generically. But there should be some major upheavals in the eve of the Industrial and Political REvolution. Alas, this involves complexity which is beyond a game that wants to cover four hundred years in realtime.
 
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"Events" would be the owrse solution. Rather include the factors that changed the world round the end of the 18th century.

However, a complex political model is probably beyond a 400 years realtime game.