how much badboy is too much

[conanthelibrari]

I was playing as France and doing weel, Took some provinces from Greece and some of the Italians in that war. badboy ended up being around 32. Then all hell broke loose. Uk attacked me, then prussia and allies, Then baden, then Bavaria, the brazil and allies. So I was crushed by Britian (obviously). How much badboy is too high? When should I start worrying about being attacked?

 

[unmerged(29181)]

"Too Much" is when everyone attacks you. Up until that point, you're good.

 

[Narug]

It really depends on your military power.

 

[Kelvin]

So, BB of 32.xx and 20 divs regular, plus 60 in mobilization pool is not enough to get attacked? Or is it because I have a defensive alliance with UK and Austria (playing as Germany)? Or should I switch to Very hard? :wacko:

 

[Memnon]

Well, if you have an alliance with someone, they won't break it to declare a badboy war. If they're going to attack you, it'll be after the alliance expires. It's the great powers that usually declare badboy wars, so if you;re allied to most of them, you should be all riht until the alliances expire. Hopefully by then you will have increased your military strength to compensate or at least released some satellites. If you try to renew the alliance at very good relations, and the other power declines, look out.

As for how much is too much, a rule of thumb I follow (with absolutely no scientific basis behind it) is to not go too far over your military score in badboy points. On "weakling" that tends to work; on "normal" it may be required not to go over at all; on "aggressive" or "furious" tread lightly.

Also try to keep track of other countries' badboy, becuase it seems to me to be a relative calculation. If Russia and the UK and France have badboy in the 30s or 40s, you should be able to handle that too, assuming you have a comparable military.

 

[conanthelibrari]

Well, if you have an alliance with someone, they won't break it to declare a badboy war. If they're going to attack you, it'll be after the alliance expires. It's the great powers that usually declare badboy wars, so if you;re allied to most of them, you should be all riht until the alliances expire. Hopefully by then you will have increased your military strength to compensate or at least released some satellites. If you try to renew the alliance at very good relations, and the other power declines, look out.

As for how much is too much, a rule of thumb I follow (with absolutely no scientific basis behind it) is to not go too far over your military score in badboy points. On "weakling" that tends to work; on "normal" it may be required not to go over at all; on "aggressive" or "furious" tread lightly.

Also try to keep track of other countries' badboy, becuase it seems to me to be a relative calculation. If Russia and the UK and France have badboy in the 30s or 40s, you should be able to handle that too, assuming you have a comparable military.

So does the likely hood of getting attacked have to do 1) with badboy rating (which is 32) and 2) my overall military score (which is 48). The higher the mil. score, the less likely I am to be attacked?

 

[Lamprey]

Basically

 

[Memnon]

So does the likely hood of getting attacked have to do 1) with badboy rating (which is 32) and 2) my overall military score (which is 48). The higher the mil. score, the less likely I am to be attacked?

That's right. How are the other countries doing? Has France gobbled up Southeast Asia? How about Britain? And what are their military scores? With whom are you allied? These are the things you have to refelct upon.

 

[Tai-Pan]

Well in my recent game as Austria I went on a bit of a raping Prussia and Portugal spree. Now my badboy is around 80 some and I'm third, tied with US, for military score. Im getting constant dows by Britain, which I can defend from easily, but cannot launch any kind of attack. Well now Russia seems to jump on the bandwagon and i gotta fight both of em. Now I can easily rape russia if I mobilize. But the UK will alays be on my ass. Anyway I really want to lower some of my BB, as this game is no longer fun, i was finally doing really well.

 

[Darkrenown]

You could build up your military to deter them or release some satellites to lower your BB.

 

[Memnon]

If you're looking for numbers, he's some data out of my current game:

Badboy: 60.414 (I took the Balkans from the Ottomans )
Military Score: 81

Results: Russia wouldn't renew it's alliance with me, but they've yet to delcare war. But this could be becuase they're already in a war with Britain. Britain has yet to declare war, but that could be because they're already in a war against China and Russia. The ottomans haven't declared war, but that could be because they're still in a peace treaty with me. When the wars end and the peace treaties expire, I'll let you know what happens.

By the way, since British India was essetially vacated by the British, the subcontinent has been taken over by the country Britain is at war with. No, not China. No, not Russia either. Punjab. Little Punjab now occupies almost off of British India. It's quite a sight to see.

 

[unmerged(17581)]

If you're looking for numbers, he's some data out of my current game:

Badboy: 60.414 (I took the Balkans from the Ottomans )
Military Score: 81

Results: Russia wouldn't renew it's alliance with me, but they've yet to delcare war. But this could be becuase they're already in a war with Britain. Britain has yet to declare war, but that could be because they're already in a war against China and Russia. The ottomans haven't declared war, but that could be because they're still in a peace treaty with me. When the wars end and the peace treaties expire, I'll let you know what happens.

By the way, since British India was essetially vacated by the British, the subcontinent has been taken over by the country Britain is at war with. No, not China. No, not Russia either. Punjab. Little Punjab now occupies almost off of British India. It's quite a sight to see.

How did that happen? In every one of my games, Britain annexes Panjab by 1837. Makes playing Tibet really difficult.

Anyways, I heard that high prestige can cancel out some of the effects of badboy, or was that not implemented in 1.03?

 

[Darkrenown]

Never heard of that, are you sure you're not thinking of military power?

 

[Memnon]

How did that happen? In every one of my games, Britain annexes Panjab by 1837. Makes playing Tibet really difficult.

Anyways, I heard that high prestige can cancel out some of the effects of badboy, or was that not implemented in 1.03?

Britain did annex Panjab, but Britain's game has gone terribly. They went to war with the USA for literally twenty years, a war that resulted on their complete excluson forn North America and the creaton of a free Canada. They were, at the same time, in a long Opium War with China. During that time, Panjab revolted and got back its independence. The Uk declared colonial war ont he again, but before it could get anywhere, the Arrow Incident fired and the Second Opium War broke out--except that this time China was allied to Russia. So now, the UK's in a war against China and Russia, and China and Panjab have pushed them out of India!

 

[unmerged(17581)]

Britain did annex Panjab, but Britain's game has gone terribly. They went to war with the USA for literally twenty years, a war that resulted on their complete excluson forn North America and the creaton of a free Canada. They were, at the same time, in a long Opium War with China. During that time, Panjab revolted and got back its independence. The Uk declared colonial war ont he again, but before it could get anywhere, the Arrow Incident fired and the Second Opium War broke out--except that this time China was allied to Russia. So now, the UK's in a war against China and Russia, and China and Panjab have pushed them out of India!

Ah, how the mighty have fallen.

But whenever I get any amount of BB at all as a minor, every single diplomatic deal is heavily weighed against me. I can only get about 1000 per province in deals. Is there a way to get good deals again? I can't release satellites as I'm too small and if I do I'll be making .5 pounds a day again.

 

[Memnon]

Ah, how the mighty have fallen.

But whenever I get any amount of BB at all as a minor, every single diplomatic deal is heavily weighed against me. I can only get about 1000 per province in deals. Is there a way to get good deals again? I can't release satellites as I'm too small and if I do I'll be making .5 pounds a day again.

Sorry, the deal stuff comes with the territory. Once i get big enough, though, I usually start satelliting rather than conquering. Those guys will always trade well with you, and since the minors in 1.03b seem to trade techs mike buggers, they'll usually have some techs that you don't.

Update on the badboy from my current game as Austria-Hungary-Romania-Bosnia-Bulgaria-Greece:

Current badboy: more or less 100
Current military score: 150
Remaining allies: aside from satellites (A big Schleswig, a big Danzig, Ecuador, and Two Sicilies), none.

UK military score: 350
Prussia military score: 12 (that's my doing right there)
France (my MP partner) military score: 145
Ottoman military score: 26
Russia military score: 75
Persian military score: 76 (yes, Persian. They civilized themselves through the generic event. It was cool).

Problems? None yet.

 

[Lamprey]

Don't annoy the mighty Persia Man I would love to watch them beat Russia.

 

[Memnon]

Don't annoy the mighty Persia Man I would love to watch them beat Russia.

I'm already on the case.

 

[Raph]

How do you see the badboy of other nations, anyway; apart from re-loading the save as another nation (which is such a pain)?

 

[Memnon]

How do you see the badboy of other nations, anyway; apart from re-loading the save as another nation (which is such a pain)?

AFAIK, you can't though I wish you could. I've tried opening the console and typing "badboy=ENG", but it won't work.