I'm just wondering because I seem to forget to produce them until 1939
EDIT: Not AI Germany haha
EDIT: Not AI Germany haha
How many tanks and SPART should Germany have on 1/1/1940?
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Curious of this myself.
Also curious as to how much Infantry, CAS, and fighters you should have.
I usually find myself with about 96 20 width divisions before I start looking at my manpower like "Oh f..."
Also curious as to how much Infantry, CAS, and fighters you should have.
I usually find myself with about 96 20 width divisions before I start looking at my manpower like "Oh f..."
I don't have any in 1940. I am torn between getting them or saving the blueprint for panzer IVs. I hate that we can't choose when to use them, especially since the research times for SP art and a new tank designed are not even remotely close.
Historically? Germany had about 20 Panzer divisions at the end of 1939 / beginning of 1940.
I'm unsure about self-propelled artillery figures, but each of those Panzer divisions, ideally, was assigned a full complement of at least motorized guns.
I'm unsure about self-propelled artillery figures, but each of those Panzer divisions, ideally, was assigned a full complement of at least motorized guns.
The simple answer is more than your enemy. The complex answer is it depends on your skill and the enemy's skill. Even in a 100% historical scenario there are factors depending on the players and their preferences. For me one light tank army (8x tank + 16 mot) + some 7-2 infantry is usually enough to beat France. The air war is more important IMHO and that's where our simple answer comes back again. I haven't played Germany in MP for a while though.
In Vanilla SP, it's important to get the trade deal with Soviets early to rush PZ3s and 4s, you should be building PZ4s by late 37 early 38. Which designer you use is up to you, but I like Porsche for the higher survivability, although that does mean they will lag behind the MOT divisions when exploiting an opening.
Anyway, I'm not at home so I don't have the numbers in front of me, but if you start then, and keep 15-20 factories building them, you should have more than enough medium tanks to fill out around 20 armored divisions, each at 20 width. Pair that with an equal number of SS, and you have 2 pretty well filled out tank armies, if you should choose to field them that way.
I don't use Light tanks at all - I tend to lend-lease those out to Spain and Japan.
In SP, you can just ignore building any light tanks and start producing tanks when you get mediums unlocked. (You can also really just ignore the SPART, there's no real need for it)
In MP: I really don't care
In MP: I really don't care
You should have 13x 40 width light tank divisions with 4 light spgs by july 1939 with about 5k planes to support it.
Historically Germany had about 12 Armour divisions in early '41. Right before Barbarossa Hitler ordered them split into about 20ish divisions. They literally split them, halving the strength (i've heard it was political reasons 20 is better then 12). Anyways Hans Guderian was super pissed about it.
In game in SP i'd shoot for 12, 40 width tank divisions. That will make up the main pushing aspect of your army.
Can't say I blame him, 'cause it totally screwed with the combat to support ratio. So instead of having 10 or 12 divisions with concentrated combat elements now we've got 20 watered down formations with lots of bookkeepers. (Well, not literally bookkeepers but you get my drift). Many historians suggest Hitler was obsessed with numbers and wanted more Panzer Division pins to push around on the map. ['Cause Russia's like really big ya know so we need lots more. Not more tanks mind you, just more support staff].
Versus the ai anywhere from a dozen 20w LARM divisions or more and about 6 motorized are plenty to bum rush Poland and France in vanilla. Another 6/3 corps is needed if you want to push from Italy against a buffed ai. Or send them to Middle East to grab Suez and oil fast.
I dont add spart until i start replacing LARM with MARM. The light tanks get converted into level II Lt SpArt, it has same sa as level I med SpArt and is much faster to produce. So I might only have a couple of divisions of 2 med, 3 larm, 1 spart, 4 mot with support by 1/1/40. Mediums just are not needed vs France, speed is more important. Russia is where you need mediums.
I dont add spart until i start replacing LARM with MARM. The light tanks get converted into level II Lt SpArt, it has same sa as level I med SpArt and is much faster to produce. So I might only have a couple of divisions of 2 med, 3 larm, 1 spart, 4 mot with support by 1/1/40. Mediums just are not needed vs France, speed is more important. Russia is where you need mediums.
To be precise, they split tank regiments in two: initially each panzer division had 2 tank regiments, after the French campaign only 1 was left.
But yeah...
"My Fuhrer doesn't ask me how large are my bombers - just how many I have". Hermann Göring.
I'm mildly embarrassed to admit that I still haven't found the interface that lets you do upgrades from light armor into Lt SpArt. That's why I always end up just lend-leasing it away. I know I'd read that equipment conversions like that were made possible in one of the expansions, but I never found it.
Its not the most obvious. You have to go into production. View varients, like build new line button, and click obsolete (green dot) on what you want converted. Then create a new line of p2 Spart. On the production tab there will be a check mark for converting from stock rather then creating from new. Note conversions only take from stockpile, so what's in a division won't convert.
Thanks for the clarifications
8-12 20 width at that date would be a good number. Don't really need SS as it increases your motorized overhead costs dramatically. Swap those for special forces divisions or maybe a few more Panzers.
I really don´t know where you two get that from. Germany had 10 Panzer-Divisions not 12. However, the Polish and French campaigns has proved that the Panzer divisions were too heavily armored. Instead, they lacked supportive motorized infantry. Thats the reason why germany splitted the Divisions and added 1 more mot. Infantry-Regiment.
The new Tank-Divisions got around 30% more Tanks per Regiment than the old ones.