How many guns does one infantry equipment equalize on the battlefield?
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one unit of infantry equipment is about 10 Rifles/Mgs/Mps
artillery tanks and airplanes are more or less 1:1
artillery tanks and airplanes are more or less 1:1
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Don't start me on this subject.
I still don't understand why all equipments are 1:1 except for infantry equipment which is 1:10 !?
And I know infantry equipment includes machine guns, mortars, some even said kitchen. It could still have been 1 soldier gets 1 infantry equipment = 1 gun + 1 share of the rest.
I still don't understand why all equipments are 1:1 except for infantry equipment which is 1:10 !?
And I know infantry equipment includes machine guns, mortars, some even said kitchen. It could still have been 1 soldier gets 1 infantry equipment = 1 gun + 1 share of the rest.
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I guess to optimize the performance. Tracking 100 000 000 rifles, mgs, mortars etc. would have huge impact on performance.
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Have a look here. http://www.hoi4wiki.com/Land_units
The wiki still has a bit of "Under construction" feel to it, so be aware that some values may lag behind updates to the game (although I think I read that the release candidate is locked in now, so it should be fairly stable until launch)
The wiki still has a bit of "Under construction" feel to it, so be aware that some values may lag behind updates to the game (although I think I read that the release candidate is locked in now, so it should be fairly stable until launch)
But they track each soldier, not only every squad, if I got it right...doesn't seem to me that this is about performance. I guess it, because if we say 1:1 to equipment they guys would have start to pretend: I want MG42, Bazooka M1 or Mauser K98 as single weapon. It makes it easier as not every squad had an heavy gun and things like this...
For a computer tracking 5000 "infantry equipments" for 5000 soldiers is quite the same as 500 "infantry equipments" for 5000 soldiers.
Computers don't have problems with zeroes. Near to zero impact on performance.
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The other thing to bare in mind is it is "equipment" not just rifles so for mountaineers they require more equipment but still the same number of men. Most likely to represent climbing gear/other specialised items then the question becomes how many guide ropes/pins = a rife It all gets very confusing. Finally in reality they would be delivered in boxes out of the factory to the front anyway making tracking each individual one a wast of time.
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Indeed, as long as each piece of equipment isn't somehow separately modeled - which I doubt. As long it's just a number and doesn't overflow (which it probably won't) the ALU will process it in pretty much equal time.
I guess it's a matter of compatibility with mechanics like attrition and so. As long as everything's quantity is roughly in proportion, it's probably easier to handle.
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It is why they call it "infantry equipment". Each soldier getting 1 "infantry equipment" would mean he gets what he need to fight, period. No need to have specifics.
To divide by 10 doesn't explain more what is included in the package, so that is not a good explanation.
But one soldier has more than one hand grenade.
Oops, there goes your math.
Oops, there goes your math.
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Infantry equipment isn't only their weapons, it also includes the clothes they wear, the food they eat, everything infantry needs to function
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Maybe for UI?
Could be still performance i guess, because the PC needs to ask "every" Soldier if he has a weapon when they fight and it would be more easy to handle if instead of a Soldier its asking a squad.
So i can imagine that 1 Inf Equipment = 1 Squad. That would work or?
Could be still performance i guess, because the PC needs to ask "every" Soldier if he has a weapon when they fight and it would be more easy to handle if instead of a Soldier its asking a squad.
So i can imagine that 1 Inf Equipment = 1 Squad. That would work or?
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No, it wouldn't, really. Unless they model each piece of equipment on the field, which I doubt they do, or decided to memory-optimize by choosing a very small datatype to store the amount of equipment in a particular division - maybe short integer (16 bits) per equipment type. However, the performance advantage would be questionable - modern PCs have word size of 64 bits typically, with older models still having 32 bits. Numerical values smaller than that will have to be shifted and masked (think about filtering a particular sequence out of a long number) so using smaller number types to save memory can actually result in slight performance loss instead of gain.
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This is why I call it "infantry equipment".
People keep using your argument which is resembling a fallacy as I'm not asking to model/track all kinds of equipments. Just that 1 "infantry equipment" means a soldier gets what he need to fight instead of 1 "infantry equipment" needed for 10 soldiers. Or they should at least call it 'infantry squad equipment" if it's intended for 10 soldiers.
Anyways that's not a big deal, just I really don't understand why they cut a zero as for a computer that makes no difference. As for the player I would find it more easy to assert if I have enough equipment if it was 1 equipment for 1 soldier, instead of having to multiply by ten in my head.
Also why they didn't cut by 10 for other equipments, like 1 field gun equipment is 10 guns or 1 tank equipment is 10 tanks or 1 plane equipment is 10 planes ?
I think ratio difference in infantry equipment is because of technical reasons.Maybe int32 has something to do with it?
Probably not, even signed 32-bit int can handle values up to about 2.1 billion (short scale). Double that for unsigned. It's probably more than any country could produce or shove to their troops.
... and what does one soldier need to fight?
3 pair of socks, 1 water bottle, 2 grenades, 1 helmet, 2 canned food, 1 rifle and 50 ammunition?
and that for every soldier? east and west, south and north?
that would be nearly one Equipment unit for every human on earth in 1940