how long does it take to build a national focus tree? will there ever be a swedish one?

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I think they've said in the past it's in the order of 2-4 weeks research, 1 week structuring & edge casing. Then debugging!

but that's going from memory of something a dev mentioned ages ago so I'm probably wrong :D
 

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It also depends somewhat on the available information on a subject (both in general, and how much is available in a readable language) and more broadly, how much there is to do with a focus tree. There's only so much you can do with a Tannu Tuva focus tree, for instance, which would probably make it harder to make one.

The final issue is that you have to think about market research: what focus trees will people be willing to pay for (this is probably another area where poor Tannu Tuva scores low).

I suspect you'll get a Swedish focus tree eventually, but it will probably be lower priority.
 
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It also depends somewhat on the available information on a subject (both in general, and how much is available in a readable language) and more broadly, how much there is to do with a focus tree. There's only so much you can do with a Tannu Tuva focus tree, for instance, which would probably make it harder to make one.

The final issue is that you have to think about market research: what focus trees will people be willing to pay for (this is probably another area where poor Tannu Tuva scores low).

I suspect you'll get a Swedish focus tree eventually, but it will probably be lower priority.

Given that a lot of PDX devs are Swedes themselves, having reliable access to native language historiography about the period shouldn't really be a major issue for that country in particular in that period. Same goes for Norway and Denmark.
 
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the generic tree and chekoslovakia really are outdated and bad in comparison to every other enhanced faction. most have op nf giving 10% stab 10% factory output 2 civs 2 mills where u have basically nothing for the generic.
 

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Personally, I suspect we will be getting a Swedish focus tree with the Soviet rework. I have no evidence to support this, but it seems like the addition of a Finnish focus tree would make for a good time to do one for Sweden. I know that the developers tend to show bias for Sweden. However, I also think they would be an interesting country to create a focus tree for, because for a non-combatant country, Sweden was in a very difficult position where it had to balance its political situation to avoid conflict with the Axis and the Allies.

My prediction for the Soviet DLC focus trees is: Soviet Union, Poland, Finland, Sweden.
 
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From my somewhat limited modding experience: depends a lot on whether you rely on existing mechanics or create it around new ones (or pseudo-new in case you're a modder rather than a dev). Also the very depth of it matters - i.e. event chains (like Burgundian Inheritance for EU4) are intensive labor-wise.

Looking at most of the old trees from the past, they should be quite easy to make, especially if you plan it right and make several ones in parallel, so as to streamline all possible junction points (lest the trees get bugged because of weird diplomatic magic).

That said, in game development there's a huge difference between creating content and then delivering it to the playerbase even if the content won't change much along the process. I doubt PDX is any different here.
 
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Personally, I suspect we will be getting a Swedish focus tree with the Soviet rework. I have no evidence to support this, but it seems like the addition of a Finnish focus tree would make for a good time to do one for Sweden. I know that the developers tend to show bias for Sweden. However, I also think they would be an interesting country to create a focus tree for, because for a non-combatant country, Sweden was in a very difficult position where it had to balance its political situation to avoid conflict with the Axis and the Allies.

My prediction for the Soviet DLC focus trees is: Soviet Union, Poland, Finland, Sweden.
what kind of bias? the game has been out for 4 years and 0 work has been done to sweden
 
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I honestly think some trees like the Spanish/French are too big and could be condensed. I prefer how they did in the Chinese trees. A large common tree and a smaller specific for each subfaction

The Spanish one is fine imo because the hugeness come from having 6 different and well developed path with mostly exclusive focus tree. In any one playthrough, you only have access to a reasonable number of focus.

Compare to France with lots of different independent paths taking a long time (and leaving most of the alternate paths being quite undeveloped), and many filler focus that are only there to waste time. This one could benefits from being trimmed down a bit (removing the industrial path (and maybe the military one too) entirely and making different options depending on the political choice would be my preference, but it's probably too much work to expect).
 

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what kind of bias? the game has been out for 4 years and 0 work has been done to sweden

Well, if Paradox were to make a focus tree for Sweden at this point in the game's development, it would only be biased in the sense that there are still significant countries that actually participated in WWII or other major conflicts during this period that don't have focus trees, such as Bulgaria, Finland, and Greece. But I don't think anyone would have a problem with a focus tree for any nation, provided it's well-designed enough.
 
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I honestly think some trees like the Spanish/French are too big and could be condensed. I prefer how they did in the Chinese trees. A large common tree and a smaller specific for each subfaction

Honestly the Spanish tree isn't really that big. No matter what path you're going down politically, it's easy to run out of focuses in 1940 or 1941 even.

It just offers a lot of options, but none of those options are actually hugely fleshed out. I mean, I think it's fine, but lets not kid ourselves. Many countries have enough focuses to take them well beyond 1945. Spain does not.
 

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First you need historical Knowledge as well as a very hard what if Research.

Second you need knowledges of Programming.

And thirdly you Need very good Nerves, because you work with the try & error principle.

Paradox have a strong Team in the Back-Hand which help them to structure the Focuses (like for Spain, Mexico, Portugal, Poland, Netherlands and the Commonwealth). If not we were still at 1.3.x or so Version.

I think if you have to do that alone without one or more of these Points then you won’t k very long on a Focus-Tree.

And yes we get more Focusses Step by Step in every new DLC.