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Assuming states like Bengal, Bihar, etc. are released from the UK as satellites or some other mechanism, they become Uncivilized states -- so I am curious how long it typically takes for them to Westernize?
 

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Assuming states like Bengal, Bihar, etc. are released from the UK as satellites or some other mechanism, they become Uncivilized states -- so I am curious how long it typically takes for them to Westernize?
A year. I do not know why but apparently they start with a lot of research points.

Other times, it takes decades to westernize.
 

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As a corollary - the longer you wait to release Indian states from Britain, the higher their literacy (and perhaps RP-generating clergy percentage) is going to be, which will speed up the rate at which they acquire reforms.
 

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Given the wealthy RGO's in Bihar and Bengal, how much does that accelerate their progress towards westernization? In other words, they have plenty of cash to maximize their Education slider, right?
 

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Well generally wealthier nations have an easier time westernizing yes, because as you said they can afford to keep education maxed more easily.
I should point out though that it should ALWAYS be maxed, unless you're at war and need the funds. Un-westernized nations do not get bankruptcy and I believe don't get debt, they just stay at 0. So keeping it maxed at all times might keep you at 0, but it will help in the long run with literacy.
 

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Given the wealthy RGO's in Bihar and Bengal, how much does that accelerate their progress towards westernization? In other words, they have plenty of cash to maximize their Education slider, right?
But there are more people to compensate for that increased income.

But technically, you're right.
 

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Well generally wealthier nations have an easier time westernizing yes, because as you said they can afford to keep education maxed more easily.
I should point out though that it should ALWAYS be maxed, unless you're at war and need the funds. Un-westernized nations do not get bankruptcy and I believe don't get debt, they just stay at 0. So keeping it maxed at all times might keep you at 0, but it will help in the long run with literacy.
The thing about that is the reason it stays at 0 is because you simply unfund the government without your knowledge.
 

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But there are more people to compensate for that increased income.

But technically, you're right.
Well, in the case of Bihar and Bengal, in addition to having huge populations (which are a double-edge sword, because there are more people to educate, as you suggest), they also have very lucrative resource types (like Opium), that regions like Assam don't have. So that's what I was getting at -- Bihar should have the income to do well on its own.

And, I was asking because I was thinking of setting them free as USA, not because I plan to play Bihar myself. From what I understand of the game mechanics, I'm thinking it would benefit me down the line if an independent Bihar westernizes, because then their huge population will start to emigrate to the USA.
 

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Well, in the case of Bihar and Bengal, in addition to having huge populations (which are a double-edge sword, because there are more people to educate, as you suggest), they also have very lucrative resource types (like Opium), that regions like Assam don't have. So that's what I was getting at -- Bihar should have the income to do well on its own.

And, I was asking because I was thinking of setting them free as USA, not because I plan to play Bihar myself. From what I understand of the game mechanics, I'm thinking it would benefit me down the line if an independent Bihar westernizes, because then their huge population will start to emigrate to the USA.
Of course, if you're an immigration nation, try to make the Indian minors and China westernize. That will be a boon to your population.
 

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Is my impression correct, that setting my units in allied territory to "hunt rebels" does not make them hunt my allies rebels? Apparently they only will hunt my own rebels?

Very frustrating, since the game doesn't notify me my allies are under attack, so I have to actually see the rebels myself and route my troops to destroy them. I guess I could put one brigade in every province... ha ha.
 

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Improving relations with un-westernized nations can actually help them westernize in a way. I do believe this increases the frequency of events that give additional RP bonus' for one. Also having an unciv in your sphere when they westernize will give them a better grouping of technology.
 

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Improving relations with un-westernized nations can actually help them westernize in a way. I do believe this increases the frequency of events that give additional RP bonus' for one. Also having an unciv in your sphere when they westernize will give them a better grouping of technology.
It also reduces tech cost for reforms depending on your tech school.
 

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Is my impression correct, that setting my units in allied territory to "hunt rebels" does not make them hunt my allies rebels? Apparently they only will hunt my own rebels?

Very frustrating, since the game doesn't notify me my allies are under attack, so I have to actually see the rebels myself and route my troops to destroy them. I guess I could put one brigade in every province... ha ha.
That is correct. If you sphere your allies, then it will notify you.