How is it that Portugal can attack me? [ToT]

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I'm France. I have a military alliance with Portugal and military access. Our relations are +177.

Yet Portugal attacked my colony in South Africa, drove me out and annihilated my troops.

I cannot fight back and am unable to declare war because of the military access (according to the greyed out diplomatic screen for DOW).

I don't understand this one at all.

Playing 1.09 vanilla.

 

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This is due to the Treaty of Tordesillas, check out this link

http://dhost.info/arsud/mediawiki-1.4rc1/index.php/Treaty_of_Tordesillas

 

[Paendrag]

I think it's ToT (Treaty of Tordessillas) that gives them cores on all Africa and gives them the ability to take your possesions without declaring war..
Same for Spain in America.. That'll happen there to..

 

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Can I fight back or take any of their colonies? I'm assuming the answer is yes with a major BB hit, canceling military access, screwing up relations, etc.

 

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Can I fight back or take any of their colonies? I'm assuming the answer is yes with a major BB hit, canceling military access, screwing up relations, etc.

You just answered your own question . That's a nice advantage of being Spain/Portugal.

 

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I assume the safer strategy to counter this is to make sure that you have substantial troops in any new colony.

 

[Battle bunny]

Or you can turn Protestant and get out of this craze. Portugal is not a good ally against Spain anyways, with the evil Spaniards always overwhelming them.

 

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Going protestant with France may couse some troubles in the short run.

 

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Going protestant with France may couse some troubles in the short run.

But on the bright side, plenty of opportunities to deliver the punchline in the "Sire, the peasants are revolting!" joke.

 

[BurningEGO]

Going reformed as France would be a lot better then protestant... there is no protestant province in France last time i saw, but there are plenty of reformed ones (plus France starts near Holland-Helvetia-The Palatinate, which are mostly reformed).

A tip to avoid the ToT effects? raise forts in your colonies. The Portuguese/Spanish AI rarely lays siege to them. That, or vassalizing Portugal, and DAing them 10 years later. Should be a walk in the park when playing with France. When you get rid of either Portugal or Spain, the ToT disapears.

 

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Game ended with me finding out how easy France is. Gave up on colonization, focused on keeping Spain and Austria in check re: victory points and the economy just took care of everything else. Easy win for the first time, as you all advised.

Now I'm tackling England. A lot different challenges. I love this game.

 

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Going reformed as France would be a lot better then protestant... there is no protestant province in France last time i saw, but there are plenty of reformed ones (plus France starts near Holland-Helvetia-The Palatinate, which are mostly reformed).

A tip to avoid the ToT effects? raise forts in your colonies. The Portuguese/Spanish AI rarely lays siege to them. That, or vassalizing Portugal, and DAing them 10 years later. Should be a walk in the park when playing with France. When you get rid of either Portugal or Spain, the ToT disapears.

You need to turn protestant before you can turn reformed, so yes, you would have to do that.

-TGD