How greedy are you guys? El Dorado not including the content pack

[StarlightTW]

Yeah, Nation Designer was included as part of the DLC but felt more like a bonus thing, not really fitting with the rest of the theme of it. I personally have no problem with this. If you don't like the nation designer, don't use it, but I hardly think it increased the price of this expansion.

 

[seeds24]

Yeah, Nation Designer was included as part of the DLC but felt more like a bonus thing, not really fitting with the rest of the theme of it. I personally have no problem with this. If you don't like the nation designer, don't use it, but I hardly think it increased the price of this expansion.

Actually Wiz stated that the nation designer was the most time consuming feature they have added to the game since launch.

 

[yls3431]

Yeah, Nation Designer was included as part of the DLC but felt more like a bonus thing, not really fitting with the rest of the theme of it. I personally have no problem with this. If you don't like the nation designer, don't use it, but I hardly think it increased the price of this expansion.

I might be wrong but Wiz might have mentioned ND was heavy work.

And like you said I dont use it but that would stop me from asking concantrated DLCs rather that a bunch of irrelevent features stuffed in together.

 

[Phalanx300]

Maybe allowed more EU4 portraits and country flags as avatars in this forum would be a good compensation?

 

[PBL2000]

Maybe allowed more EU4 portraits and country flags as avatars in this forum would be a good compensation?

I would certainly appreciate more country flags with- and/or portraits of bears in the forum.

 

[GoguRomania]

I never really play with Central American nations so why would I want to pay extra for some units visuals that I will never enjoy? What Paradox does seems pretty fair. So GO PARADOX!

 

[Buladelu]

We could sell them all together but then they'd correspondingly cost more, so you're really just asking to not have a choice on whether to also get the music and unit packs.

One day you'll let people buy packs like "El Dorado + Bells & Whistles" or "All gameplay expansions" and people won't be afraid to buy your games cause there are 40 DLCs for it.

 

[net.split]

One day you'll let people buy packs like "El Dorado + Bells & Whistles" or "All gameplay expansions" and people won't be afraid to buy your games cause there are 40 DLCs for it.

Paradox always releases packages of their games with every DLC (at least notable ones?) once it's "finished" (when no more are planned). And for like $40 (dropping to $20 in a seasonal Steam Sale).

We're paying for early access, and as a sign that we want more of this. Someone with fewer funds or less-convinced interest could just pick up the previous title with all content for $20 and move on.

It's win-win really.

 

[Mikalos]

As per subject title.

So I buy the expansion but I dont get the music or the unit packs? What a joke.

let me tell you about Ck2, where you can buy a timeline extension, but if you want your characters to have accurate clothing or, funnily, for a game ALL about dynasties, historically correct coat of arms (remember nowm for characters you had to pay money as to play in the first place, especially ones needing two expansions), you gotta pay more money. oh and you gotta pay double for said correct clothing

and black people only exist if you pay money as well

 

[szmik]

Nation Designer affects gameplay. Graphics do not. I don't get the last statement.

Really? How does nation designer affect gameplay if I never use it? It's the same as graphic packs, flavour addition.

As for OP, I really like for customers to have options. I see no problem in selling this DLC as full pack or by pieces. But unfortunately there's no consistency by PI => CK2 has separate designer.

 

[Mauer]

Not more greedy than anyone who works to get paid really.

I like they did a content pack this time, I think it's about $1 cheaper than getting all the cosmetic things on their own but I still have the option of buying the gameplay DLC on release and getting the other stuff on a sale, though I got everything on release this time because I wanted to play in mesoamerica right away with all the things.

 

[richelieu1628]

Yeah, unbundling content AND making the game modular regarding DLC, whilst keeping patches free ==> maximum amount of customer choice of what I want to pay for or not. Those appaling bastards, how dare they let me decide if I want music or not.

 

[pillullis]

Well, it could be worse. At least they are just sprites ans music and not gameplay mechanics.... Yet.

 

[ChildeR]

I just wish nation designer was also separate. I've tried it in multiplayer and am not really interested. I could have paid e.g. €10 for ED without it, but now I'll probably wait for at least a -50% or so sale.

 

[gnome109]

Maybe allowed more EU4 portraits and country flags as avatars in this forum would be a good compensation?

Instead we got female forum avatars.

 

[BarskiPatzow]

Money for Paradox, Piratebay for everything else They aren't cheap, but they provided hundreds of hours of frustration and fun at the same time (ottomans are reason for frustration) so I don't regret paying for EU4.

 

[Buladelu]

Paradox always releases packages of their games with every DLC (at least notable ones?) once it's "finished" (when no more are planned). And for like $40 (dropping to $20 in a seasonal Steam Sale).

We're paying for early access, and as a sign that we want more of this. Someone with fewer funds or less-convinced interest could just pick up the previous title with all content for $20 and move on.

It's win-win really.

You don't get it. You currently need a guide or to spend hours to understnad what happens with all those DLCs. Imagine you don't know anything about the game. You open Steam page and you see you have to pay ~$200 for this game and all expansions. You saw screw it, it's clearly some sort of milking marketing gone mad. You don't know half of those money are spend on irrelevant and purely cosmetic stuff and basic version is still supported and updated. You see wall of DLCs.

To even consider buying a game like this you have to be bombarded by explanations how it works. It's lose-lose. Even after you know about every single DLC you have to scroll all of them and carefuly select the ones you want. Why won't someone in Paradox spends 10 minutes to organize this stuff into packs? I can't imagine. Maybe hope that someone says "screw it" and just buys everything. Well I'm sure much more people would prefer not to spend time on a game requiring you to read manuals to just buy it.

 

[Chev]

You don't get it. You currently need a guide or to spend hours to understnad what happens with all those DLCs. Imagine you don't know anything about the game. You open Steam page and you see you have to pay ~$200 for this game and all expansions. You saw screw it, it's clearly some sort of milking marketing gone mad. You don't know half of those money are spend on irrelevant and purely cosmetic stuff and basic version is still supported and updated. You see wall of DLCs.

To even consider buying a game like this you have to be bombarded by explanations how it works. It's lose-lose. Even after you know about every single DLC you have to scroll all of them and carefuly select the ones you want. Why won't someone in Paradox spends 10 minutes to organize this stuff into packs? I can't imagine. Maybe hope that someone says "screw it" and just buys everything. Well I'm sure much more people would prefer not to spend time on a game requiring you to read manuals to just buy it.

This is actually true.
I've spent about 800 hours in this game and own every major DLC plus many minor ones, yet I'm not even sure if I would be able to name just the major DLCs without forgetting anything or looking them up.
I know from experience with other games that it can become quite frightening to come to a Steam store page, seeing some base game for 10 bucks with 50 pieces of DLC for a huge amount of money.
I have read in this forum (I think Johann wrote it) that PDS won't release any 'Complete' editions anymore, since they want to keep the possibility to further extend their games with new DLC.
Nonetheless, clarity of what DLCs exist should really be improved. If you google 'Eu4 DLC', you only come up with a wiki page (that "may need to be updated", so you don't even know if it's accurate) and really have to collect all that information by yourself piece for piece.

That being said, I'm happy that PDS is trying their best not to split the community and providing everyone with most of the new features on any patch - while you're playing a different game when you play with or without DLC, it's no completely different one.

 

[hwoosh]

Well, it could be worse. At least they are just sprites ans music and not gameplay mechanics.... Yet.

Actually, packaging the Nation Designer separately from the core gameplay features of El Dorado would have been an improvement.

 

[KillingMeSoftly]

Yeah, as others have said, this is really the opposite of greedy. El Dorado would have been more expensive if they included the extra bits.. but this has already been covered.

I've not really seen any outright greed from Paradox, regardless of what people say about the DLCs or their prices. (Yeah, it would always be nice to get things free or really cheap, isn't that true with everything?)

The fact that I can play with friends, host the game, and they play with all the expansions activated without needing to buy them personally... is amazing. I've not played a game where this has ever been the case.