How good will AI be--I wonder?

[Josephus I]

I wonder how good the AI will be. I was watching one of the WWWs, the one with Germany v. England where Johan was England and a couple people played Germany. It was disheartening to see Germany occupy Moscow and several other Soviet cities in just a few months (and during winter). I know the dude who played Germany then, I think his name is Daniel, is supposed to be super good at this AND I know it was an earlier version of the game--but still that has me a bit worried.

 

[Yellowdeath]

They lost because they had a internal revolution and kick out stalin. At the cost of much of their industry. That's why they lost, because they could not replace lost equipment while Germany could.

 

[Maizel]

I doubt it will be very good.

I think the biggest trouble is going to be the same as in HoI3, that the AI really cant prioritize fronts very well.

Ive seen the AI pull back half it's army from the front line, to fights a bunch of partisans popping up inland.

 

[RazakelApollyon]

I wonder how good the AI will be. I was watching one of the WWWs, the one with Germany v. England where Johan was England and a couple people played Germany. It was disheartening to see Germany occupy Moscow and several other Soviet cities in just a few months (and during winter). I know the dude who played Germany then, I think his name is Daniel, is supposed to be super good at this AND I know it was an earlier version of the game--but still that has me a bit worried.

The particular WWW you're talking about was several updates ago, though I still understand the concern. The most recent WWW had the Spanish Civil War end in July of 1936 iirc.

 

[HyperVoxel]

While I worry too, Russia in that particular game was in a bad place as mentioned. The AI in that game screwed itself over.

 

[potski]

Ive seen the AI pull back half it's army from the front line, to fights a bunch of partisans popping up inland.

You haven't ever seen that in HOI4, though.

 

[Maizel]

You haven't ever seen that in HOI4, though.

Yeah that's fair enough. But when it comes to AI in Pdox games, I put my expectations really low.

 

[potski]

They lost because they had a internal revolution and kick out stalin. At the cost of much of their industry.

Where's your evidence of that?

 

[Evan05]

The Hungary game where Daniel could manage to beat Austria, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, and Romania, and then proceed to take all the way up to Berlin as little Hungary as made me rather nervous. I'm hyped for the game, I did preorder the field marshal edition, but a few things still worry me and one of them is the AI. Hopefully there's war in tomorrow's WWW that will prove me wrong.

 

[ArcandSpark]

The best way to figure out the general tendencies of the AI is to watch the AI play against itself with no human players. That way you can avoid any gaming the system and see how it was designed to act such as trying breakthroughs and then exploiting them, or defence in depth, if it can tell where weak spots and strong points are etc.

To go from throw everything on the front line and then order a general advance to giving a challenge to an average player might be too big of a leap. For now I would be happy for the AI to know basic concepts and react somewhat effectively to changing situations. I don't expect it to beat Daniel when he tries.

 

[John Henry Eden]

Whenever I see Daniel play, I dont take the AI at face value as Daniel has apparently played more of the game then anyone else and is very good.

Knowing the community here, I can see an AI mod or something coming out within weeks to quickly address any issues people have.

 

[polydamas]

Where's your evidence of that?

Daniel stated that it had happened...

 

[Haydar]

That is my main concern too. The great Hungary, and then watching Finland occupying Leningrad and Moscow by 1939 WWWs made me nervous. As if possible pre-emptive moves by smaller countries are completely neglected in the game.

I am sure they noticed that and have been fixing it. Hope it will be OK by release day.

Nobody in RL would have sit and watch Hungary occupy Austria. They sit on their asses when Germany did, because Germany was strong and was a threat, but Hungary occupying Austria and then even being offered help by Germany to annex Czechoslovakia should not happen.

 

[Volodio]

I'm also afraid to find a game too easy.

Daniel may be good, but still he did some mistakes (like let some places open in the front, don't encircle, etc.). Moreover, he didn't care about winter and snow, he played faster and he didn't manage too much his divisions. And still, with Hungary he took Austria, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and Romania and he wasn't really worried about his war against France and UK... And with Poland, he almost beat Germany with the 1939 start. So, what could do player who plays slowly and who is better, like him (he had won against China, Soviet Union and USA in 1942, playing Japan on Darkest Hour) ?

 

[joeenochs]

I am afraid, that the AI dev diary was already some kind of excuse, that the AI will not be too good. The difficulty for the player will probably have to be searched in playing a minor like Hungary as is common in Paradox games, but still a bit sad.

 

[Uladh88]

stellaris AI was awful at release such that i had to stop playing but they are releasing a major patch this week to address the issues i had with the ai and im sure they will address the hearts of iron 4 issues and then we will have mod teams that will make things super

 

[JerkyJerry]

I wonder how good the AI will be.

In one respect it depends on how good/bad the player (human) is.

 

[TFR]

I wonder how good the AI will be. I was watching one of the WWWs, the one with Germany v. England where Johan was England and a couple people played Germany. It was disheartening to see Germany occupy Moscow and several other Soviet cities in just a few months (and during winter). I know the dude who played Germany then, I think his name is Daniel, is supposed to be super good at this AND I know it was an earlier version of the game--but still that has me a bit worried.

You mean that old series watch new ones

 

[Bridger15]

Ai is one of my main concerns as well. It's really hard to do, and I expect in a year or so it will be quite good. I'm going to put my stock into MP games for now though.

 

[Van Tuber]

To be fair the AI in the vast majority of strategy games is poor. Given the complexity of HOI the best we can reasonably expect is that it doesn't do anything too stupid or is too easily exploited. If you're looking for a challenge from the AI, you shouldn't hold your breath.