How good are subs in the end game?

[Spoony]

I am starting a new capmaign as the Soviets and plan to neglect all Navy techs except Subs. I know they have been nerved with 1.3, so less visible and good against convoys, but far less effective against naval units. My question is, are they still any good against Naval units towards the late or mid-late game, once you have electro boats or even nuclear subs with all tech upgrades? Thanks for any advise...oh and please no argument on what subs should be, or any historical references, as I saw those plenty during my search. Just a plain answer is completly acceptable :rofl: Thanks and Cheers!

 

[Timmetie]

You don't want any figures or numbers?

In that case! No, they aren't good against naval targets in the end game.

 

[Buh the Ghost]

hmmm..... i can see nuclear_submarine in the units folder, but i have no clue what i have to do to be able to build them!? they aren't mentioned in any tech or doctrine...

 

[Gurag]

i think they are one of the secret techs. however why not just build a simple battleship navy? subs wont sink enough to be worth the investment (even if you are extremely tech rushing them).

 

[delra]

Nuclear Submarines aren't in the game even though they are in the stats. They probably put them in so they later don't need to redo the whole thing if they do the Korean War expansion.

And late-game subs suck still. Get a proper navy instead unless you're heavily role-playing or need a secretive scout ship.

 

[unmerged(193195)]

I am not in late war but certainly regret having invested in sub tech. I use them mainly as convoy riders, where unless you micromanage, they will all sink. They were also intended to be a quick-fix to counter AI amphibious assaults, but there too they get wiped out quick.

Next time I will build naval bombers, who work well as convoy riders, and use older capital ships for coast area defence. It is always a pleasure to see an old and battered BB sink transports and their ´passengers´.

 

[williamprowant]

In the vanilla version of 1.3 I built a purely Unterseebootsflottille Kriegsmarine and was able to effectively blockade Britain. They couldn't send anything in or out because it was destroyed. I lost very few in the process. Guess it just depends on tech level.

 

[unmerged(193195)]

In the vanilla version of 1.3 I built a purely Unterseebootsflottille Kriegsmarine and was able to effectively blockade Britain. They couldn't send anything in or out because it was destroyed. I lost very few in the process. Guess it just depends on tech level.

This is very interesting. I am in 1942 now, and have stopped researching. Two questions: how large were your wolfpacks? Did they keep patrolling even when their stenght/organisation levels were worn out (as low as 40% strenght)?

 

[williamprowant]

I used whatever I had available for officers, in that if I had four star officers I had 30 stacks. I set them on intercept missions outside of British naval bases from bases in France and the lowlands, and they kept attacking until I cancelled their orders. The British had little chance to destroy them as I also used naval bombers from bases in those regions to do naval strikes on the water outside those naval bases.

 

[Kallocain]

Submarines will be a bit rebalanced in 1.4, so be sure to check them out by then.

 

[unmerged(193195)]

Thanks for the reply.

I used whatever I had available for officers, in that if I had four star officers I had 30 stacks.

Ouch, I am poor Italy and will never have enough IC for that...

 

[delra]

Submarines will be a bit rebalanced in 1.4, so be sure to check them out by then.

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