How far do I push the first Ottoman war?

[Latheloi]

Playing as Mamluks, and have carved out a fair bit of territory through personal expansion and through vassals. 495 in own development, 160 in vassals.

In 1470 the Ottomans declared war because my one ally (QQ) was at war and in debt and I was busy with Ethiopia.
I've managed despite their advantages in basically everything to inflict some pretty heavy losses on them and liberated the border realms of Ramazan and Dulkadir (my vassals).

I've also managed to give their fleet a good slapping around.

The question is now, with 50% warscore but very little of their territory occupied, how far should I push them.
I'm running at a deficit, but I have 600 in the bank and no loans or corruption. I've exhausted my manpower, but they aren't far off of that point either.

Would I be better served peacing out of the war relatively soon to focus on taking more Ethopian and Arabian provinces from far weaker countries, or fighting on and taking as much as I can? (on the basis of more clay is good, but more clay at your enemies expense is even better).

Any suggestions? (I'm far more used to massively asymmetric wars, rather than ones where I am pretty close to the opponent in real power)

 

[byebytoad]

Playing as Mamluks, and have carved out a fair bit of territory through personal expansion and through vassals. 495 in own development, 160 in vassals.
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In 1470 the Ottomans declared war because my one ally (QQ) was at war and in debt and I was busy with Ethiopia.
I've managed despite their advantages in basically everything to inflict some pretty heavy losses on them and liberated the border realms of Ramazan and Dulkadir (my vassals).

I've also managed to give their fleet a good slapping around.

The question is now, with 50% warscore but very little of their territory occupied, how far should I push them.
I'm running at a deficit, but I have 600 in the bank and no loans or corruption. I've exhausted my manpower, but they aren't far off of that point either.

Would I be better served peacing out of the war relatively soon to focus on taking more Ethopian and Arabian provinces from far weaker countries, or fighting on and taking as much as I can? (on the basis of more clay is good, but more clay at your enemies expense is even better).

Any suggestions? (I'm far more used to massively asymmetric wars, rather than ones where I am pretty close to the opponent in real power)

If you don't have any manpower left if would get out of the war.
After all Ottomans will still lose something and you'll get something which will turn the tides even more in your favor for the future.

I once continued to fight in a situation like your thinking I could squeeze more and ended up getting less.
Unless you want to gamble on the possibility of some Ottoman's neighbours taking gadvantage of the war and declaring war on the Ottomans.
But even in that case , the Ottoman's AI will still likely focus on you.

 

[makaramus]

well depands... if your war exhaustion is high and rebellions a lot I say quit... else take a loan hire some mercs and siege 1 or 2 more forts.

 

[henzington]

Hire some mercs and push your advantage. Loans are worth it if you can weaken the Ottomans enough that their neighbors pile on

 

[Lopatou_ovalil]

destroy them

 

[Lord Zsinj]

FINISH HIM!

 

[Latheloi]

Doubt I would get much play out of dogpiling by neighbours - Ottomans have an alliance with France in play, and only the Venetians have any claims. (breaking that alliance, and the one with Tunis are on my hitlist for demands).

Have a stack of 4 mercs leading my vassal swarm in sieges, and another stack of 12 with my cavalry to make a full combat width easy to replace hit force (which is what has done for the ottoman military advantage). I can still slacken 4 times to replenish manpower as well. Don't need to loan yet, can probably sustain another 2 years, pretty comfortably... but... I am now at the point where I am going to be suffering attrition to push further, and, well, there are easier pickings than a golden age ottoman anatolian highlands!

 

[Dominion]

Doubt I would get much play out of dogpiling by neighbours - Ottomans have an alliance with France in play, and only the Venetians have any claims. (breaking that alliance, and the one with Tunis are on my hitlist for demands).

Have a stack of 4 mercs leading my vassal swarm in sieges, and another stack of 12 with my cavalry to make a full combat width easy to replace hit force (which is what has done for the ottoman military advantage). I can still slacken 4 times to replenish manpower as well. Don't need to loan yet, can probably sustain another 2 years, pretty comfortably... but... I am now at the point where I am going to be suffering attrition to push further, and, well, there are easier pickings than a golden age ottoman anatolian highlands!

Tkae the landbridge to Trebizond to prevent them from expanding east.
54% WS should suffice.

Take Trebizond, Imereti and Circassia yourself.
After that you're done. The game is over. If they can't expand east or south they will barely expand at all.
Sooner or later they'll attack Hungary which should be allied to Austria. Use the opportunity to jump them. Until then, expand into Persia, India and South Africa to spread out your AE.

No need to cripple an enemy by denying him as many provinces as possible if you can leave early and freeze him forever.