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Narvait

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So, I have realized that in-game I am someone I would really hate in historical TV series.

I plot to kill people to end truces or other reasons, despite their age. I attack even when on truce. Use "spy on" frequently to kidnap, spread rumours or kill powerful vassals. Not to mention forging documents for claims on land that I have never owned. And I do it all routinely :)

So, have you had a campaign with house rules of not to lie nor backstab nor falsification - with your Chancellor only improving relations and Spymaster studying technology? And how did that go? :)

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For some reason I would have no moral issue with tribal wars. Such as subjugation or county conquest. Also with religious wars (holy wars, great holy wars). Those I see as fair actions.
 

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Well, you don't really need fabrication or intrigue as Byzantine Emperor in 769. Just marrying claimants to kings and empires, easy to do with your huge prestige lead. Push claims, run over everyone with your empire status and superior technological lead (most notable vs Karlings.)

Oh, and easy holy wars versus almost everone else you border.

Probably even easier as the Abbasids since they get that county CB and the ability to holy war other sects in their own religion. That and every single Sunni neighbor (basically all the large ones) in 769 start will accept your offer of vassalization, locking away everyone you can't holy war.
 
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You are right, when you are big, should be easy to expand even doing "honest" wars only :)

On the other hand, if you are small Catholic count surrounded by other Catholics, if you don't fake claims or marry/kill spouse relatives, you are quite doomed.

If you are big though, you might also feel tempted to use "methods" to get your way with troublesome vassals.
 

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My playstyle is Pragmatic Villainy. I will use whatever underhanded tactics I can as long as I don't get tyranny for it, barring a couple instances where I've revoked a mayor so I could install somebody of my choosing as a doge. I also won't execute random lowborns I capture; there's no percentage in hanging some random girl who was in the wrong place at the wrong time and isn't worth a ransom. But I forge claims all the time, and I'll kidnap or kill vassals if I have a strategic reason (e.g. I had an Old Slavic chief I kidnapped and demanded join the 9th century already so he'd stop hating me, and I've blown up persistently troublesome doges on occasion).

I think I've executed one vassal in my entire 319 hours of playtime, and I had one hell of an excuse: the sumbitch not only murdered a close relative of mine but had the stupidity to get caught doing it, then rebelled when I tried to send him to prison. I would have revoked Lithuania from him but I was also in an NAP with him and couldn't revoke, so I had him beheaded.
 
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I tend to play as if I was the ruler currently on the throne. If my current character is moral and just, my actions reflect that; same deal if my character is a wine guzzling lazy loser. It makes for more immersive game experience as your dynasty evolves throughout the generations. To me that's been part of the charm of CK2 since 2012.
 
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So, I have realized that in-game I am someone I would really hate in historical TV series.

I plot to kill people to end truces or other reasons, despite their age. I attack even when on truce. Use "spy on" frequently to kidnap, spread rumours or kill powerful vassals. Not to mention forging documents for claims on land that I have never owned. And I do it all routinely :)

So, have you had a campaign with house rules of not to lie nor backstab nor falsification - with your Chancellor only improving relations and Spymaster studying technology? And how did that go? :)

p.s.
For some reason I would have no moral issue with tribal wars. Such as subjugation or county conquest. Also with religious wars (holy wars, great holy wars). Those I see as fair actions.

Fair and just is the only way I like to play. If I play a King, I don't arbitrarily toss people in prison, and when I play a vassal, I'm scrupulously loyal. It's fun in its own way...
 
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Going way your character traits demand seems the most fun choise :)

On other hand, even as slothful content drunkard I usually keep expanding. Always make up a story that it is my ambitious wife/Mother/friend pushing me
 
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Depends on the traits of who I'm playing, someone kind is not going to kill anyone. Someone without the cruel trait won't casually kill children or keep people in prison indefinitely etc.
 

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Well, CK2 is a game that asks you to murder your brother in order to inherit his kingdom as part of the tutorial ("learning scenario").
 
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My playstyle is Pragmatic Villainy. I will use whatever underhanded tactics I can as long as I don't get tyranny for it, barring a couple instances where I've revoked a mayor so I could install somebody of my choosing as a doge. I also won't execute random lowborns I capture; there's no percentage in hanging some random girl who was in the wrong place at the wrong time and isn't worth a ransom. But I forge claims all the time, and I'll kidnap or kill vassals if I have a strategic reason (e.g. I had an Old Slavic chief I kidnapped and demanded join the 9th century already so he'd stop hating me, and I've blown up persistently troublesome doges on occasion).

I think I've executed one vassal in my entire 319 hours of playtime, and I had one hell of an excuse: the sumbitch not only murdered a close relative of mine but had the stupidity to get caught doing it, then rebelled when I tried to send him to prison. I would have revoked Lithuania from him but I was also in an NAP with him and couldn't revoke, so I had him beheaded.
I try and hold to the Evil Overlord List as much as possible, but my particular style ends up being Pragmatic Villainy in the same vein as you, or perhaps a Villain With Good Publicity. I'll plot and scheme and murder my way through half of Europe, but I'll try my damned hardest to not get caught, and I'll generally avoid doing something that gets me tyranny (This guy's in my dungeon but executing him would cost me tyranny? No problem, there's always the oubliette!). I'll use as much means as I can to keep my viceroys in their de jure borders (Powerful vassals mean they have a chance of overthrowing me, but in their de jure borders they just sit and impotently rage), but I generally keep a hands-off approach to internal realm management aside from that - if the vassals are plotting against each other, that's less time they have to plot against me or mine. The only exception I make to this is embezzling plots - my viceroys pay me taxes, and anyone who embezzles from my viceroys reduces the amount of taxes they can pay me. That's a no-go for me.

If I get random spawned rebellions, I immediately execute the ringleaders. If it's a landed vassal who rebels, I'm liable to strip him of his duchy and keep him locked inside the oubliette for a few decades until he keels over - unless they seriously infuriate me, in which case it's castration or even instant execution. The duchy? I give that to one of his count-vassals who actually like me. Adventurer threats? That's what the plot-assassinate button is for. Pretenders? Well, I'm no kinslayer, but would you like this backwater county on the edge of my realm surrounded by Muslim powers? I'll even throw in independence for you. I can always Holy War it again later. Courtiers and vassals trying to seduce me/my wife/children? Try doing that without a dick, you treasonous bastards. Annoying Caliph declares the forty-second Jihad for Jihadistan? I will march my invincible tagmata all the way down to Mecca and sack the place just to get back at him. And then I'll castrate him once I've imprisoned him.

But I'll avoid doing anything that actually gains me Tyranny, or the Dishonorable trait (I'll save-scum assassination plots purely so I won't get caught), except if it's only like 5 tyranny for something that really shouldn't be considered tyrannical under the circumstances, then I'll just tank the hit and not piss anyone else off for five years.
 
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