I stumbled upon this game more or less by accident, and I must admit: I'm excited! This seems like a proper new city builder, finally. However, I have a question: How does this compare to Sim City 4 (with mods)?
How does this compare to Sim City 4?
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well mods are already becoming quite abundant. People are adding full fledged mods, and things as simple as industrial decor. Whats really cool imo is all the stand alone models being made that do not replace existing files. This is where the real meat of the visuals are being added. Hopefully some more gameplay mods start coming out. I hope that either mods or CO themselves separate industry and offices at some point, and make resources and special buildings actually do something unique.
It's a different game. a direct comparison is difficult. My opinion is that right now it's not as good as SC4 but it certainly has the potential for the future. Though it's like asking how chalk compares to cheese imo. Sure they're both city builders but they don't really go for the same feel at all.
a better comparison would be onions and cheese, at least they are both edible. Actually this is the first time playing a city builder I finally got that feel of simcity 4 again after over a decade.
It's a bit unfair to compare Cities Skylines Vanilla with a modded SC4. In fact 95% of SC4 is custom content right now that build up over many years.
So Cities Skylines for sure has some drawbacks for now. There aren't enough buildings in the game (growable and plopable), some transport networks aren't there (trams for example) or in general there is much less content in the game.
If you compare Cities Skylines Vanilla with SimCity 4 Rush Hour Vanilla the answer is easy however.. The simulation works way better, it feels more realistic, it looks better and still preserves the SimCity feeling. It's just better then SC4 Rush Hour.
It would be unfair to compare a new product to one who was refined by Maxis and the community for years. If we have to compare with SC4, we have to compare to how it was at launch.
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What pleases me is that I can actually manage the transport system (mainly roads) and see the difference, or at least it seems that way. I like industry a bit more too in Cities, apart from the constant lack of workers, but I think that's more to do with me needing to wait for more educated workers.
Surely they're both city builders, there's something you can say. What are the different feels?
I always say it's the best citysm 'since' SC4, implying it's not quite there yet. However, it's pretty damn close!
From a pure Sim view, SC4 is MUCH better, the economics worked better, the services worked better, etc. However, that was what, over 10 years ago and now of course we have full 3d with proper animation and this game looks, feels and runs BEAUTIFULLY. It won't be long before the above mention things are fixed, either by patches or my other people modding it and THEN, it will be the best city builder of all time.
From a pure Sim view, SC4 is MUCH better, the economics worked better, the services worked better, etc. However, that was what, over 10 years ago and now of course we have full 3d with proper animation and this game looks, feels and runs BEAUTIFULLY. It won't be long before the above mention things are fixed, either by patches or my other people modding it and THEN, it will be the best city builder of all time.
Exactly.
Obviously in terms of content it can't compare with a game with 12 years of accumulated modding.
Still, for me this is the first city builder ever that has surpassed SC4.
This. And I was thinking, SC4 was kinda crap at launch. So CSL wins.
Each has its strengths and weaknesses of course. But I'm not really very interested in making a comparison like that. I'd rather make a comparison at some point in the future, when I can actually compare this game at its best to the fully fleshed out SC4.
CS skylines still has many things to improve on. I just hope those improvements will make it to the game.
I played SC4 at the start and after rush hour was released but never got the drive to invest time into it. CSL directly got me addicted and made me forget the clock ... painful if you need to get up 2 hours after going to bed
Don't let the full release fool you, it's still in its infancy. And while there's a lot of promise, and we all have hope the game will surpass SC4, right now it's rough in a lot of places.
If you need a comparison, think of a really attractive person with nothin goin on upstairs. They're fun and enticing, but you're gonna get bored and annoyed quick.
I'd give it a few patches, frankly.
If you need a comparison, think of a really attractive person with nothin goin on upstairs. They're fun and enticing, but you're gonna get bored and annoyed quick.
I'd give it a few patches, frankly.
"How does it compare with SimCity 4?"
Favorably. MUCH favorably.
If you consider both games at launch, it's already better. It also has 0-day modding support with a very performant language which works cross-platform (C#) .
Essentially there's no difference between game code and mod code.
Even if CO/PDX simply forgot about the game tomorrow - which I doubt would ever happen - the game as is, it's still a powerful framework ripe for modding up to the point of total conversions into a different beast.
Modding is already efervescent and there's still much to come, and expansions from first-party are coming as well.
Favorably. MUCH favorably.
If you consider both games at launch, it's already better. It also has 0-day modding support with a very performant language which works cross-platform (C#) .
Essentially there's no difference between game code and mod code.
Even if CO/PDX simply forgot about the game tomorrow - which I doubt would ever happen - the game as is, it's still a powerful framework ripe for modding up to the point of total conversions into a different beast.
Modding is already efervescent and there's still much to come, and expansions from first-party are coming as well.
Even better, the devs have already incorporated their versions of what were popular mods into the vanilla game code, one example is upgrading between one way and two way roads.
Its a great game but I think the devs are hoping the mods fill in the gaps between this and simcity instead of doing the work themselves. Game is much better then simcity but missing so much of it.
Some things in C:S definitely are better than in SC 4 ... for example pure pedestrian walkways ... or the ability to define city districts together with their own policies and industrial specializations
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