How does the new Revolution system work?

[Supermouser]

Emperor has been out for a while now and still no update has been made to the wiki about how the new revolution mechanics actually work. I just played an entire game from 1444 as Spain with the explicit goal of embracing the revolution when it spawns in the early 1700s. When I finally get to that point however, the center of the revolution spawned in Austria and somehow Austria crushed the whole thing before it ever had the chance to spread beyond their borders.
Is that it?! Was that seriously the only opportunity? I feel like I had absolutely no control over that event in any way and definitely wasn't in any position to either help export the revolution to my country nor to even increase the likelihood that the center of the revolution would spawn in my country in the first place, since I am entirely without any information due to the aforementioned lack of any wiki update.
How does this thing work? Is that seriously the end? The whole revolution either fizzles out before 1750, or as in previous games I played that didn't focus on the revolution, the event spread throughout the entire continent of Europe without any organised opposition at all.

 

[Heys]

It's indeed very vague and there does not seem to be any in-game (or even wiki) information about it. I played to get the France revolution achievement, long Provence into France game. It spawned in my (big, which was probably the problem) country and after 44 years of waiting, it got to 77% in my nation and suddenly there was an event about the revolution being vanquished and over. No explanations.

EU has never been particularly good at explaining the game with tooltips and the likes, but this one currently takes the cake.

 

[MK1980]

i think one of the criteria to spawn the center is that the country has most of its income from taxes and production. i think that was even an in-game tooltip? don't remember tbh. so a (mostly) inland power with relatively low trade income is more likely to spawn it.

in my bavaria campaign i got it in my capital. had the highest absolutism, no1 great power, low trade income (something like 150 out of 800 or so?).

it spread somewhat quickly, but still too slow for my taste, so i removed my stability with a couple of silly no cb dows on random nobodies in order to get the revolution disaster ticking. might also have gotten it by waiting, though. i think by the time the disaster fired it was at 80% or so anyway.

 

[holyvigil]

The revolution is a disaster in the age of revolutions. Check the requirements in disaster section in game. If you gun for it when the age of revolutions spawns you should be the first.

 

[amanis]

Nobody knows.

 

[Hiram_Maxim]

How do I get rid of the revolution in my provinces? It's spreading from Toledo, Spain. but France has become the revolutionary target. Will restoring their monarchy with the Crush the Revolution CB put an end to this nonsense? The minimum autonomy in my provinces is starting to become an issue.

 

[Gratak]

i think one of the criteria to spawn the center is that the country has most of its income from taxes and production. i think that was even an in-game tooltip? don't remember tbh. so a (mostly) inland power with relatively low trade income is more likely to spawn it.

You got that the wrong way round. It's high trade and production that leads to a higher chance. Countrywide 75% trade+production gives a MMTH factor of 0.8. 20 production or 30 trade power in a province another factor of 0.8. There is lots more of factors to increase (or decrease) the chances of the event. Way too many to list them all. See "center_of_revolution_events.txt" in events for details. Anyway. What you also want is:

• -1 or 0 stability (increases chances of the event and is absolutely necessary to get the disaster to trigger after you got the event. Low stab means you just need 0.2 spread for the distaster rather than 0.8 which a large nation will never reach)
• 30 loans
• As many 30 dev provinces in your capital area as possible. Especially your capital itself! Not sure whether area is actual area or just connected to capital. Either way, they should at least be in the capital region.
• 100 absolutism
• Look out for events to increase the chance. They will have the increased chance written in red. Master of Mint gives one more possible event

Nevertheless. It took me 40 years to get the event despite doing all of those things... Which is weird, since it should be a lot quicker considering the numbers in the event file. I fear that this provincial event does scale with total number of your provinces. So ideal would be to be playing tall.

 

[Josephus I]

ow do I get rid of the revolution in my provinces? It's spreading from Toledo, Spain. but France has become the revolutionary target. Will restoring their monarchy with the Crush the Revolution CB put an end to this nonsense? The minimum autonomy in my provinces is starting to become an issue

.Bump.

 

[Silvanel]

I would also love to know how to get rid of revolution in my provinces, didnt find a single thing yet that allows me to interact with it.

 

[Luftskip]

I had a game going for Choson One as Korea, got a center in my capitol that converted lots of provinces and completely tanked my economy, but the revolution never fired because i had the mandate of heaven?

 

[makaramus]

The revolution is a disaster in the age of revolutions. Check the requirements in disaster section in game. If you gun for it when the age of revolutions spawns you should be the first.

here we see a person, that doesnt play late game, acting like he knows too much! We can observe him in his natural enviromant safely without scaring him*

Joke mateyou are partly true sadly. Its now mostlya mechanic like center of reformation it keeps spreading and disaster only helps you to get it faster but you can get it without disaster.

to people that want to get rid of revolution: you need to beat revolutionary target (typically strongest nation with revolution that is benefitting from buffs of revolution) and turn them back into monarchy
doing this will remove revolutionary modifier from your lands but if revolution remains unchecked it will return!

 

[Hiram_Maxim]

ow do I get rid of the revolution in my provinces? It's spreading from Toledo, Spain. but France has become the revolutionary target. Will restoring their monarchy with the Crush the Revolution CB put an end to this nonsense? The minimum autonomy in my provinces is starting to become an issue

.Bump.

Okay, it turns out you remove it by letting the revolution disaster fire, choose the event option to side with the reactionaries and then end the disaster.

But here's the thing: The revolution centre in Toledo stuck around even after I used the crush the revolution CB to turn Spain back into a monarchy. And the revolution is spreading into my provinces AGAIN even though some event text implied this wouldn't happen. And Spain has become a revolutionary country twice now.

This mechanic could have used more time in the oven.

 

[makaramus]

Okay, it turns out you remove it by letting the revolution disaster fire, choose the event option to side with the reactionaries and then end the disaster.

But here's the thing: The revolution centre in Toledo stuck around even after I used the crush the revolution CB to turn Spain back into a monarchy. And the revolution is spreading into my provinces AGAIN even though some event text implied this wouldn't happen. And Spain has become a revolutionary country twice now.

This mechanic could have used more time in the oven.

yea you need to root out center of revolution too . As monarchy you need to keep hitting revolution until its gone
Its total war between you and ideas after all... thats how its meant to be atleast I belive

 

[EarlKonrad]

Okay, it turns out you remove it by letting the revolution disaster fire, choose the event option to side with the reactionaries and then end the disaster.

But here's the thing: The revolution centre in Toledo stuck around even after I used the crush the revolution CB to turn Spain back into a monarchy. And the revolution is spreading into my provinces AGAIN even though some event text implied this wouldn't happen. And Spain has become a revolutionary country twice now.

This mechanic could have used more time in the oven.

I believe the center goes away after a few decades without any Revolutionary target. At least that's what i remember reading.

 

[matgopack]

The Center spawns fairly randomly - there's a long list of modifiers, but the easiest way to try to get it in your lands is to have as many 30+ dev provinces as possible and have high absolutism, in my experience (and be in Europe, obviously). If you can have some other aspects - eg, most of your income from trade with low influence burghers, it can add to it - but otherwise, I don't know if it's worth going out of your way for.

Once the center spawns, it starts converting provinces around it 3 at a time. It prioritizes provinces seemingly alone the same parameters as where the center would spawn - in my experience, it'll go first to high dev, high absolutism provinces.

Once 20% of your development has had the ideals spread to it, you want to kick off the disaster. The easiest way there is to take out 50 loans with a stability of less than 2, but simply being below 0 stab will get it to start ticking. Once it starts ticking, decrease your loans back to 25, and wait ~2 years (with 25 loans and 80+ absolutism, you get base rate of 2/month, which fires it off in just over two years with no other modifier). You should be hoarding admin points.

At this point, the disaster will fire, and you get a choice. Ideally, you'd be the first GP to go through the disaster, so your choice is the important one. Either way, you'll get a bunch of rebels of the type you don't go. Bump your stab up to +3 and deal with them, and you'll be done with the disaster in no time. If you went reactionary and were the first Great Power to go through the disaster, the Revolution will be crushed. If you go the opposite route, you'll be the Revolutionary Target. If you aren't the first GP to go through it, but you crush the Revolution, all revolutionary spread will be removed from your nation + the center won't naturally spread to your provinces - though if you're occupied by a revolutionary nation it might spread again.

If you want to crush the revolution, that's the easiest route. Alternatively, you will need to crush the Revolutionary Target - which will typically be the first GP to go Revolutionary. If the revolution doesn't convert anyone for a while after spawning, I think it just fizzles out.

The game unfortunately doesn't do much to indicate that the disaster is the intended way to go revolutionary - and that it only needs 20% spread.

 

[holyvigil]

to people that want to get rid of revolution: you need to beat revolutionary target (typically strongest nation with revolution that is benefitting from buffs of revolution) and turn them back into monarchy
doing this will remove revolutionary modifier from your lands but if revolution remains unchecked it will return!

Ah another person who doesn't play late game. I'll avoid repeating the joke but that's only partially true. The other way to remove the modifiers is to let the revolution disaster happen and side with reactionaries as Hiram_maxim says in more detail in his own post.

 

[Kanem Bornu]

Ah another person who doesn't play late game. I'll avoid repeating the joke but that's only partially true. The other way to remove the modifiers is to let the revolution disaster happen and side with reactionaries as Hiram_maxim says in more detail in his own post.

The OTHER way to remove it is to release a client state in that province who will flip revolutionary. Then declare war using "crush the revolution" CB. It's a terrible method in terms of the AE and all that, but hey it works and gets rid of it right away.

 

[gia257]

The Center spawns fairly randomly - there's a long list of modifiers, but the easiest way to try to get it in your lands is to have as many 30+ dev provinces as possible and have high absolutism, in my experience (and be in Europe, obviously). If you can have some other aspects - eg, most of your income from trade with low influence burghers, it can add to it - but otherwise, I don't know if it's worth going out of your way for.

Once the center spawns, it starts converting provinces around it 3 at a time. It prioritizes provinces seemingly alone the same parameters as where the center would spawn - in my experience, it'll go first to high dev, high absolutism provinces.

Once 20% of your development has had the ideals spread to it, you want to kick off the disaster. The easiest way there is to take out 50 loans with a stability of less than 2, but simply being below 0 stab will get it to start ticking. Once it starts ticking, decrease your loans back to 25, and wait ~2 years (with 25 loans and 80+ absolutism, you get base rate of 2/month, which fires it off in just over two years with no other modifier). You should be hoarding admin points.

At this point, the disaster will fire, and you get a choice. Ideally, you'd be the first GP to go through the disaster, so your choice is the important one. Either way, you'll get a bunch of rebels of the type you don't go. Bump your stab up to +3 and deal with them, and you'll be done with the disaster in no time. If you went reactionary and were the first Great Power to go through the disaster, the Revolution will be crushed. If you go the opposite route, you'll be the Revolutionary Target. If you aren't the first GP to go through it, but you crush the Revolution, all revolutionary spread will be removed from your nation + the center won't naturally spread to your provinces - though if you're occupied by a revolutionary nation it might spread again.

If you want to crush the revolution, that's the easiest route. Alternatively, you will need to crush the Revolutionary Target - which will typically be the first GP to go Revolutionary. If the revolution doesn't convert anyone for a while after spawning, I think it just fizzles out.

The game unfortunately doesn't do much to indicate that the disaster is the intended way to go revolutionary - and that it only needs 20% spread.

the disaster only happens once, but the spread can and will happen after you beat the disaster, so if you go monarchy, your autonomy is screwed, if you go revolutionary your cbs are screwed, you lose all of them except the spread of revolution, but that disappears if the opponent becomes revolutionary, which they will

Here the rev target was defeated and theres almost no nation alive (part of a wc), and yet theres rev progress, take note of the %

Here all nations were assimilated so theres really no way to have a target (other than yourself), yet check the %, also eyeroll at the tooltip, deep scars yes and they are growing

 

[Someone Borrowed]

It really doesn't work in a predictable way. It spawns in random European GPs in my experience and spreads randomly with a particular affinity for Sweden and Spain. The spread is extremely unpredictable. With Protestant/Reformed Centers of Reformation, we know it'll convert all possible adjacent provinces and then prioritize Catholic provinces in Protestant/Reformed countries. With Revolution it's completely random. There is next to nothing that allows you to encourage the revolution to spread into your country. The Revolution Disaster is strange as well: I played as Orthodox Moldova and conquered Wallachia and Transylvania and formed Romania with Bulgaria and Greece as vassals. I tried to fit the requirements for the disaster but it didn't even show up greyed out in the disasters screen with more than 50% revolution presence. Had to wait until the 1790s to get 100% spread so I could flip. Is it because I'm not a great power? It should say so then.

 

[Gaijin de Moscu]

Hmm, I went revolutionary as Russia but I’m aborting this run and returning to the previous save.

- The Rev center spawned near my capital. After a few years, 20% of my provinces went revolutionary.

- The disaster fired, and after a few years I was presented with a choice. I chose the revolution.

- Got a massive stab hit, +10 revolt risk for 20 years, and 0 zeal for a few years so I lost my admin efficiency. Because I was in a WC run, I was super low on monarch points and it took me 15 years to finally be rebel-free at the turn of a month. Then the disaster finished and the revolution won.

- I enjoyed the somewhat nice bonuses for a while, like cheaper troops with higher morale and 500+ OE peace deals at zero mana. Then literally all my neighbours went revolutionary and I had no CB against them. None. So I had to fabricate claims all over again.

Oh, and some countries have “revolutionary” in their name 5-6 times. I guess the revolution just never stops?

My conclusion is it’s no longer worth the hassle for a WC unless you’re role playing.

I’ve done a WC as a revolutionary empire once and as a theocracy another time. Back to monarchism I go!