How does the March work?

[Dagger-Axe]

As a vassal, I try to ask my liege to become a March instead of a vassal, but one of the -1000 modifier is "too high development compare to liege", which I don't really get...shouldn't it be the stronger I am, the easier my liege is going to accept my request? Do I need to become weaker or wait for my liege to become stronger in order to promote? It doesn't really make sense to me...

 

[oros]

Since it will raise your forcelimit, they are maybe afraid the relative strengh of armies is going to be too bad for them.

 

[ArzhurG]

A development limit (I think 25% of overlord) was introduced by the devs when one of them (StarNaN) exploited march status in one of their multiplayer campaigns. Basically he made a deal with one of the other players (I think Imse) so that he would become a march to get the bonuses but was still in charge of the "alliance". This was considered as an exploit as the devs which is why the dev limit was introduced.

The limit only stops you from getting the bonuses, not from becoming a march if the wiki is correct. However, because of it I assume that your overlord doesn't see the point of having you as a march, hence the malus.

 

[Dagger-Axe]

A development limit (I think 25% of overlord) was introduced by the devs when one of them (StarNaN) exploited march status in one of their multiplayer campaigns. Basically he made a deal with one of the other players (I think Imse) so that he would become a march to get the bonuses but was still in charge of the "alliance". This was considered as an exploit as the devs which is why the dev limit was introduced.

The limit only stops you from getting the bonuses, not from becoming a march if the wiki is correct. However, because of it I assume that your overlord doesn't see the point of having you as a march, hence the malus.

I see...but being a vassal and a march is so different though, as a vassal my liege is always trying to annex me whenever my liberty desire drop below 50, so I have to keep colonising to increase my liberty desire in order to not get annexed, and being a march dont have to worry about getting annexed while having the protection from liege...now I just never going to have a chance to break free then, since my dev keep increase while i colonise to survive, and i never going to have a chance to gain independence through war when my liege is Ming who is also allied with Ottoman... hahaha...

 

[PhoenixG]

A development limit (I think 25% of overlord) was introduced by the devs when one of them (StarNaN) exploited march status in one of their multiplayer campaigns. Basically he made a deal with one of the other players (I think Imse) so that he would become a march to get the bonuses but was still in charge of the "alliance". This was considered as an exploit as the devs which is why the dev limit was introduced.

The limit only stops you from getting the bonuses, not from becoming a march if the wiki is correct. However, because of it I assume that your overlord doesn't see the point of having you as a march, hence the malus.

imo the % limit is a lot better than the old static one. If you grow big enough you're able to get a decent sized march. While you're big it's quite a buf, but when you're small it's quite a nerf.

 

[bigaristotel]

If your liege doesn't want you to become march, then make him your march

 

[Dagger-Axe]

If your liege doesn't want you to become march, then make him your march

You mean i can use my 33000 men to fight ottoman and ming who together have...infinite army?

 

[Rikissa]

I'd be interested to hear how this situation came about!

 

[Dagger-Axe]

I'd be interested to hear how this situation came about!

you mean how I came into this situation? Well it's pretty simple, I started as Ming and played released nation Yue (located around HongKong), and for over two hundred years the dynasty has been looking for a way to gain independence, because if you dont, Ming always trys to annex you. my first idea group was explor and second was expansi, so three colonisation team going on at once, colonised most of southeast asia and oceania, even colonised bits of africa and south america, but Ming is always so strong and so stable, and recently it even allied with Ottoman, who are the first and second great power...in this two hundred years whenever Ming is about to succeed with annexation, i declare war and immediately sue for peace after one month and in the treaty i promise to be tributary and cede province. but since im vassal the tributary wont have any effect, and Ming is too nice he never actually took my land, so i remain as vassal and everything is back to normal. Recently I have reached a stage where my colonies are.so many that my liberty desire is too high for Ming to annex me, so safety is basically assured and i start to regain the ambition of gaining independence. well no countries can help me to fight both ottoman and ming so the only hope is to ask to be a march...now that it's impossible...

 

[Dagger-Axe]

I just gained independence through releasing and play as a colony nation brazil, although very small and weak but at least I can earn war score now

 

[gia257]

have you tried claiming ottoman land? might cause relations to sour, theres also espionage maluses (eg -dip rep which i am not sure you can do as vassal)

also when you releae a vassal you tend to weaken yourself beforehand! (eg release everyone!).

 

[Dagger-Axe]

have you tried claiming ottoman land? might cause relations to sour, theres also espionage maluses (eg -dip rep which i am not sure you can do as vassal)

also when you releae a vassal you tend to weaken yourself beforehand! (eg release everyone!).

Even if I can get Ming to divorce with Ottoman I still cant beat it
And yes it does make the game easier by release all vassal first, but the whole point of playing as released vassal is to make the game as hard as possible

 

[gia257]

one tag as ming an release ryuku then