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re:turkey
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Although the Turks were among the first to adopt large scale use of cannon, the janissaries resisted the adoption of personal firearms for something on the order of two hundred years. Pressure on the janisarries to use western-style tactics and weapons led to severe internal unrest and the eventual storming of the palace in Stamboul. When the Sultan Selim III organised a separate army of (somewhat) European-style soldiers (the Nizam-i Cedid) the janisarries revolted, ultimately killing Selim. The janissary battle ethic revolved around personal bravery and initiative:values foreign to the (relative) discipline required by the effective use of firearms.
 

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Originally posted by joneseh:
re:turkey
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Although the Turks were among the first to adopt large scale use of cannon, the janissaries resisted the adoption of personal firearms for something on the order of two hundred years.

When the Russian Tsar Ivan the Terrible introduced his musketeerunits he styled them after the turkish firearms bearing units and this was in the earlier part of the 16th century so I think a 200 year delay is wrong.

Pressure on the janisarries to use western-style tactics and weapons led to severe internal unrest and the eventual storming of the palace in Stamboul. When the Sultan Selim III organised a separate army of (somewhat) European-style soldiers (the Nizam-i Cedid) the janisarries revolted, ultimately killing Selim. The janissary battle ethic revolved around personal bravery and initiative:values foreign to the (relative) discipline required by the effective use of firearms.

Yes but the internal unrest did not come from pressure on the Janisarries to use fireweapons. But from the pressure to stop them from meddling in politics and stop living like a merchantclass. It was at a point when the Janissaries had stopped being professional soldiers and become a state within the state.

/Greven