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A few months ago I posted in the Suggestion forum about the Reddy dynasty of Andhra in India. I made sure to post a lot of information and links in why it should appear at the game's start, and discussed how it might affect the other nations in the region (especially Orissa, which actually owned the provinces at that point). Paradox (Trin I think) noticed and we had a discussion on the thread about it. Not long afterwards, Andhra was added to the game. So, if you want Paradox to consider a suggestion to add a new tag, gather as much info as you can, weed out any obviously biased sources, and post it in the Suggestions forum. There are no guarantees of course, but that would be the best way to bring tag ideas to Paradox's attention. (Hopefully my lobbying for the Merina Kingdom of Madagascar bears fruit as well! :)

Do you think this will work with mechanics too? Since I´m figuring out how to make Hansa better, make a new "union" system to represent Kalmar, Franconian and Swabian circle... and rebels
 

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I do wonder if you would consider Regensburg to be worthy of addition based on this criteria. It was quite notable as an Imperial Free City, it was independent for most of the game's timeline and it would be the easternmost Free City, if added. There is no tag for it, the city is, incorrectly, Bavarian in 1444.
I think a reason they may not add it is because Bavaria has been shrunk quite a bit, it might be to much of a nerf to add Regensburg to the list. I don't know, maybe it won't

You can't say a thing like that without linking to it. It's inhumane.
give me a second to figure it out, I know what they're talking about
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I think a reason they may not add it is because Bavaria has been shrunk quite a bit, it might be to much of a nerf to add Regensburg to the list. I don't know, maybe it won't
If they implemented my union system it could be done without nerfing the area ;-) but yeah... balancing should always be a concern... On the other hands... Have been looking for a new challenge lately ;-)
 

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Every time someone suggests Austria-Hungary, Paradox removes one planned tag.
 
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Malmø is one thing, and again I dislike changing names without any thoughts or discussions first, but Skåne is another!? It´s a huge difference... Sigh...
Malmö is part of skåne I think I wouldnät have to point that out to anyone and the greater copenhagen area (formerly öresund) is a lot more than just malmö (depsite not being half of skåne as someone claimed).

Nor shouls they, the war was about getting back to status quo, since Skåne had been swedish for... is it 400 years? there was no reason to discuss it either...
We were talking about the southern border.

Now it´s better to make a union and make it a common land, going to war for it... Seems senseless :)
We do have a union, it's called the EU.

Denmark did get some land after WW1, not as much had they had lost to Prussia since Slesvig-Holstein were part of Denmark. And we didn´t really "get" it, there were a vote in that part, in both counties where one voted for Denmark and the other Germany. So yes, we did get some back but not directly due to the war :)
Of course there was no reason to get most of schleswig back either since most people there are germans, holstein is right out, I've got family there so I'm there atleast once year, never met a dane. Prussia didn't conquer shcleswig-holstein they liberated it. Granted they might have liberated some parts up north who didn't want to be liberated but you know how schleswig holstein are about that, it says a lot that the motto of the bundesland is „Auf ewig ungeteilt“, which of course following the division you mentioned isnät strictly true.

Well I sympathize with Germany for WW1, but for WW2 they should feel lucky they only lost half the country.
Also after further research Denmark DID got some land back after WW1 :p
WW2 is the direct result of the crappy peace that the allies gave them in WW1. Alsace of Lorraine was german territory, danzig too. The people living there was german(ic) speaking. It was an outright war of conquest and it was the last in a long line of france nibbling away land that they had no right to from the HRE and then germany. The leaders of the entant are as responsible for hitler as the people of germany.
I really don't get Woodrow Wilson, granted his fourteen points were somewhat fair but he must have known that turning german people in under the rule of foreigners was always going to lead to reassumed conflict. All his statements about disarming tensions were quite naïve. And the letting france and brittain make that peacedeal much much harsher. Sheer folly.
 
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Malmö is part of skåne I think I wouldnät have to point that out to anyone and the greater copenhagen area (formerly öresund) is a lot more than just malmö (depsite not being half of skåne as someone claimed).
Still claiming that the region has changed name, while it hasn´t been changed, really makes a bad argument. And yes Malmö is part of Skåne, a smaller part of it believe it´s roughly 1/3, but really doesn´t change the fact that while Malmö is part of Skåne it wasn´t all of Skåne being discussed but part of it, in the form of Malmö.
EDIT: Sry, misunderstood, yes it´s more than just Malmö and is Skåne that´s were talked about, not just malmö
We do have a union, it's called the EU.
And the nordic council, while not de jure a union.
Of course there was no reason to get most of schleswig back either since most people there are germans, holstein is right out, I've got family there so I'm there atleast once year, never met a dane. Prussia didn't conquer shcleswig-holstein they liberated it. Granted they might have liberated some parts up north who didn't want to be liberated but you know how schleswig holstein are about that, it says a lot that the motto of the bundesland is „Auf ewig ungeteilt“, which of course following the division you mentioned isnät strictly true.
Again with those "never met a dane", only thing is there are danes there, even a danish church and newspaper on danish which I guess is for danish not being there... Danish officials and royalty have even visited the "danes who are not there" and Germany has recoignized their existence... So just because you haven´t met them, doesn´t mean they aren´t there... Have been there too, have met plenty of danes down there
 

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There isn't a written down process as such but basically something along these lines:

But... this doesn't explain the Siberian tribes. I think they have potential, I even made a suggestion thread about them, but they have nothing in vanilla. So how exactly the four OPMs got approved when they have nothing special except for migration outside of America and three of them are copypastes?
 
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@delpiero1234 why do you disagree that the arguments Nikolaj Wammen gave for changing Århus to Aarhus are completely idiotic? What is your argument for stating they aren't?

it was always funny how the map and the city I was going to was spelled the same
What do you mean? Isn't it natural that the city is wńoted by its name on a map?

and have lost most football matches really
That actually is wrong; we have played them 105 times, won 40, and lost 46.
sure it´s easy for outsiders,
How is Copenhagen easy for outsiders? And Gøteborg would have the advantage of being about in the middle of the new country; the only thing is whether it should be a federation or not. I would say not.
Of course the danes want to annex Eastern Denmark (as I call Skåne), it would give them access to Zlatan!
You are listening too much to fringe members of DF; outside a few DF MPs from time to time I haven't heard anybody seriously argue we should try and get Skåneland and Southern Jutland back. (Though I presume more DF MPs think it too; they are just smart enough to not state it publicly.)
You give far too much credit to proper Danes (Jutland), the part east of Denmark proper we are happy to give to Sweden :p it's only Copenhagens and our politicians, they won't be missed ;-)
I say we keep Fyn too; they have traditionally supported us Jutes against the Zealanders. They for instance were part of Jyske Lov too and when Statsbanerne were founded it was also Jutland and Fyn going together.

To be fair, Danes don't understand them at all either ;-)
Speak for yourself.
I am actually surprise you guys didn't got it back after WW2 since it was basically a German buffet lol
The Danish government said no; the Brits actually offered us part of Southern Jutland. I think it just was Flensborg and the area around it, but it might have been more. Cannot exactly remember. Plus if a plebiscite had been made shortly after the war it might very well have meant return to Denmark, since before the Wirtschaftswunder took off the Danish minority had a surge in their membership as people remembered how they used to be Danes.
it is far from the scaries comment made by elected oficialls in denmark in the last decade, with regards to skåne that is.
Which officials? I am only aware of a few DF MPs making comments about getting Skåne back.
I dislike changing names without any thoughts or discussions first
Me too.
And we didn´t really "get" it, there were a vote in that part, in both counties where one voted for Denmark and the other Germany. So yes, we did get some back but not directly due to the war :)
It was directly due to the war; no war means no plebiscite. Also you are wrong that both counties duchies (if you actually meant counties then alone in what ended back in Denmark there were 4 counties (not sure if there were more under German rule; but there most likely weren't fewer)). And there never was a plebiscite in Holsten; I don't even think France wanted that (though not completely sure). Instead Sønderjylland was divided into 3 plebiscite zones. The northern one which voted as a block meaning that the German majority cities (Tønder, Sønderborg, Haderslev?, Aabenraa) couldn't vote to stay in Germany. Zone II covered Middle Sønderjylland and among other things included Flensborg; think it also included most of Angeln, but not sure. A third zone covering the area all the way down to Dannevirke was also proposed, but the government decided not to pursue it and after the result in zone II the proposal of a zone III died.
Though I seem to remember that the Brits also after WWI offered us Flensborg, but the government said no. I even think that was what caused the Easter Crisis, but not completely sure on it.

I think a reason they may not add it is because Bavaria has been shrunk quite a bit, it might be to much of a nerf to add Regensburg to the list. I don't know, maybe it won't
They could split the province in 2 then.

Malmö is part of skåne I think I wouldnät have to point that out to anyone and the greater copenhagen area (formerly öresund) is a lot more than just malmö (depsite not being half of skåne as someone claimed).
Actually looked it up and the Øresund region does include all of Skåne.

Oresund_pop_density.gif

We do have a union, it's called the EU.
A Nordic union wouldn't have been bad though; now it is a bit moot, though I can still see some advantages with it. (Primarily that we will stand stronger internationally; and that it would strengthen the knowledge about the other Nordic languages among the young parts of the population. It is ridiculous that some young Scandis are so bad at dialects that they cannot understand each other (because when things boil down the Scandinavian languages still pretty much are just different dialects). That would also mean a bigger language area meaning that things would become cheaper since the market for Scandinavian language products suddenly is 20 million.
Prussia didn't conquer shcleswig-holstein they liberated it.
Except that is completely wrong. And until the heavy Germanization of the late 1800s most people in Sønderjylland actually spoke both German and Danish. Sure there were some differences in loyalty; but so were there for Elsaß-Lothringen which actually wanted to be French despite speaking German. And you said that due to it being German speaking it should be with Germany, so by the same argument Prussia didn't liberate any part of Slesvig. Though of course the best solution is how it was done with the Copenhagen Bonn agreement in 1955.

Also even today there is a large minority on both sides of the border.

it says a lot that the motto of the bundesland is „Auf ewig ungeteilt“
And And that motto is clearly referring back to the Ribe letter of ~1460; so it doesn't really mean anything and just is a fun historical reference.
 
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What do you mean? Isn't it natural that the city is wńoted by its name on a map?
That´s my point, why change a name to make it more "international" when they and I can find it just as easily with the name it has already. Could understand a change in name, not from that argument though.
That actually is wrong; we have played them 105 times, won 40, and lost 46.
And I consider that a majority since we didn´t won more than Sweden and didn´t win by a huge margin ;-)
How is Copenhagen easy for outsiders? And Gøteborg would have the advantage of being about in the middle of the new country; the only thing is whether it should be a federation or not. I would say not.
Easier access to other countries due to location closer to them. However, I believe it should be easier for the citizens since the government from other nations have easy access to planes and more money to go there than most citizens. Thus the most pragmatic solution towards citizens should win :)

Not sure what you mean by federation, if you refer to a union with Gøteborg as capitol I´m all for it...
I say we keep Fyn too; they have traditionally supported us Jutes against the Zealanders. They for instance were part of Jyske Lov too and when Statsbanerne were founded it was also Jutland and Fyn going together.
You misread ;-) I stated copenhagens and politicians, thus implying I meant Seeland :) Fyn is a part of Denmark proper
Speak for yourself.
Have you heard them talk their dialect? or are you from there :) have family there, and regular mock them with their dialect, since it sound so much like German
Which officials? I am only aware of a few DF MPs making comments about getting Skåne back.
There were some intellectual discussion, though not officials, that discussed whether Malmö actually wanted to be part of Denmark since they had more to do with Cph. But the argument was really as to gain the area, it was more refering to the solution of having a union since it wouldn´t matter then who had "ownership".

But yeah... DF... Not always the best comments you get from there, and certainly not the voice of all of Denmark
It was directly due to the war; no war means no plebiscite. Also you are wrong that both counties duchies (if you actually meant counties then alone in what ended back in Denmark there were 4 counties (not sure if there were more under German rule; but there most likely weren't fewer)).
My bad... The problem with playing CK2 and EU4 is that you start refering to the areas in those terms ;-)
Though I seem to remember that the Brits also after WWI offered us Flensborg, but the government said no. I even think that was what caused the Easter Crisis, but not completely sure on it.
Didn´t know it was offered, but the easter crisis after WW2 was due to Soviet planning to attack part of Scandinavia... Not sure where... Guess all of it really... And there was a crisis over what to do with it, which led to the foundation of the nordic council
A Nordic union wouldn't have been bad though; now it is a bit moot, though I can still see some advantages with it. (Primarily that we will stand stronger internationally; and that it would strengthen the knowledge about the other Nordic languages among the young parts of the population. It is ridiculous that some young Scandis are so bad at dialects that they cannot understand each other (because when things boil down the Scandinavian languages still pretty much are just different dialects). That would also mean a bigger language area meaning that things would become cheaper since the market for Scandinavian language products suddenly is 20 million.
It´s not moot, given that we´d still have to navigate in EU and would make it easier to influence it then into something that we could better stand behind. There are discussion of emerging navy and airforce into a scandinavian, to save cost and make purchases cheaper, and many legal comitees have members from all the countries while laws when interpreted they look at the other Scandinavian countries as to how they solved it (not often, but it happens), just like some laws are pretty much identical due to the cooperation when making these comitees.

I´m not young, but must admit I have trouble understand the other languages... At least until I´ve been hearing it for a while, then it gets easier, but a common scandinavian language... That would take a while, but perhaps make it cheaper still, since some books could be published in that language it was written in and still be used on universities.
 

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I understand Norwegian with some effort I cannot make danes understand me (and that's in copenhagen where they should be used to swedes) and neither do I udnerstand them (anywhere in denmark). Danish and Norwegian are pretty much dialects of the same language I'll give you that, but I find german easier to udnerstand than danish. At least their counting system makes sense.

I disagree that a nordic union would be meaningful, sure speaking with one voice in the EU and UN and all that but that would require us to have similiar goals... and we don't. A mutual defence treaty is as much as we'll ever have, and that's just as long as we're not all part of NATO and n one expects anyone to uphold the EU mutual defence treaty.
 

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Abandon the thread, guys, the essay posts have already begun...
 

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Abandon the thread, guys, the essay posts have already begun...
Nah... it really began as a joke about adding Denmark as a tag :) but the question is really answered a couple of times so the reason is kinda gone too, unless you believe suggesting tags is the same as answering to how they decide :)

Not saying this makes the "essays" right, just saying... what else would you gain from the post when it´s answered...
 

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Not saying this makes the "essays" right, just saying... what else would you gain from the post when it´s answered...
The thing about the essay posts is that they only usually serve to dissect and analyze the opposition's message, not actually relating to the subject of the thread.

Lord_P's Law of Post Relativity: The more quotations there are in a post, the more likely they are from the exact same post.
 

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The thing about the essay posts is that they only usually serve to dissect and analyze the opposition's message, not actually relating to the subject of the thread.

Lord_P's Law of Post Relativity: The more quotations there are in a post, the more likely they are from the exact same post.

I will leave this alone, but only point out that the post you made didn´t really relate to the topic or help it come back to it :)

I did wander off, which wasn´t my intention when I started, and that´s why I said sry because I shouldn´t have done that :)

and dissecting can be helpful at times, in order to address the issues correctly... Here the issues weren´t related and the need to dissect it or even answer should have been limited or left alone.

Personally I just dislike refering to a post with "nope you´re wrong" without addressing it, it doesn´t help to keep things in a civil tone. But again, this wasn´t the time to do so :)
 

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I think a reason they may not add it is because Bavaria has been shrunk quite a bit, it might be to much of a nerf to add Regensburg to the list. I don't know, maybe it won't
Bavarian provinces are stll quite large. They could easily split off one or even two to compensate for the loss of Regensburg. Then, they could make Lubeck a free city and we would have a nice number of 10 free cities. All of them for Austria to eat.:)
 

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All of them for Austria to eat.:)
I doubt that they are often hard nuts to crack. In all hte blobbing in my latest HRE game there are still three of them around, as free cities that is, most of them are still around as oligarchic republics.