How Does Invasion Territory Work?

[GPounda]

So Italy Invaded Britain with 5 divisions at Dover. . . I noticed this and sent 14 divisions with an additional 60 divisions.

When Britain capitulated the entire territory went to Italy. . . even though I took all three capitols and 70% of the territory.

What are the metrics here?

 

[Opanashc]

If you attack from allied territory, gained enemy territory goes to the ally.

 

[Dan1109]

And I've never liked that. For Germany as an example (no, I don't play GER that much, I prefer the allies), Barbarossa launched from Romania gives lots of territory to ROM, not GER. I've always hated that in all HOIs. Its like I have to screw over my ally and preform some cheese to make sure I get the territory, even though I am in fact doing all the work.

I think there is a way in mods to fix it however. I've been focusing on JAP a lot lately, and BICE was giving Jap conquered Chinese territory to Manchuko (heh, even though MAN forces never leave their border). I told Panzeroo, and the next release and all subsequents have given all that territory to JAP, and none to MAN. Maybe there is a way to do it if there is a puppet relationship which JAP-MAN is, and GER-ROM and USA-UK are not.

Now one area I dont mind it, or lets say it gives a bit of role play, is allies invading Italy. USA vs UK, Patton vs Monty, a big pissing contest to see who can get more territory quicker.

 

[Dalwin]

If you attack from allied territory, gained enemy territory goes to the ally.

That is only until the peace conference and not even necessarily that long. It is much more complicated than simply saying that it goes to whoever owned the province from which you attacked.

In a recent game I formed Vichy. It initially had its normal borders. As various encroachments into France were made, when I retook areas they at first were belonging to me but later flipped to Vichy control, regardless of what direction I attacked from. I could not force them to give them back since the message said that I already had too much occupied territory and Vichy not enough. This even applied to the first few states in Spain, but I eventually reached whatever point the game considered "enough" and was able to force Vichy to give me Portugal and parts of Spain.

 

[Opanashc]

That is only until the peace conference and not even necessarily that long. It is much more complicated than simply saying that it goes to whoever owned the province from which you attacked.

But he didn't have the end of the war, did he? Britain capitulated, not the same as Allies surrendered, is it?

 

[Dalwin]

But he didn't have the end of the war, did he? Britain capitulated, not the same as Allies surrendered, is it?

The same is true for the situation with me pushing into Iberia with the "cooperation" of my Vichy puppet. Except in my case the land was initially going to me when it was taken and only later flipping to Vichy control. It is this fact more than anything that convinces me it does not just get painted with the same color from which the attack came. Sometimes it does, of course, but definitely not always.

 

[Opanashc]

The same is true for the situation with me pushing into Iberia with the "cooperation" of my Vichy puppet. Except in my case the land was initially going to me when it was taken and only later flipping to Vichy control. It is this fact more than anything that convinces me it does not just get painted with the same color from which the attack came. Sometimes it does, of course, but definitely not always.

Ok. Your explanation is viable too, but so is mine.

 

[User29]

i think puppets might work slightly differently for occupation flips anyway.

but yeah when you capture territory from allied land and it flips to to your ally(when you finish capturing the whole state) you still get all the credit in warscore for capturing it IIRC

 

[Dalwin]

i think puppets might work slightly differently for occupation flips anyway.

but yeah when you capture territory from allied land and it flips to to your ally(when you finish capturing the whole state) you still get all the credit in warscore for capturing it IIRC

That would explain them getting the state in which Bordeaux lies, but not them getting the first few states in Spain. Yet there was a point at which they did not continue getting every state.

You may be correct, however, that it is normal to see it first one color and then flipping to another with the first one being who is getting the war score credit. I am certain that I am not alone in seeing the entire war score and peace treaty system in the game as somewhat unimportant and generally disappointing. It is at least an improvement over the scripted approach taken to post-war in some earlier versions of the game, but still not good enough. I expect that it will get redone at some point.

 

[User29]

That would explain them getting the state in which Bordeaux lies, but not them getting the first few states in Spain. Yet there was a point at which they did not continue getting every state.

You may be correct, however, that it is normal to see it first one color and then flipping to another with the first one being who is getting the war score credit. I am certain that I am not alone in seeing the entire war score and peace treaty system in the game as somewhat unimportant and generally disappointing. It is at least an improvement over the scripted approach taken to post-war in some earlier versions of the game, but still not good enough. I expect that it will get redone at some point.

i hope so, I actually can't play the game these days in ANY alliance at all because the "pay off" of the game is ultimately... buzzkilling, italy getting smolensk russian empire as a puppet actually makes the whole experience feel worse. So instead I add more of a speed bump to the game and conquer Italy too