I've seen this twice now happen to Navarra. I'm not playing as them but I see that when the king from the 867 start dies his son ens up with just the county and a weak claim on the kingdom. Nobody has the kingdom, it just killed itself. Why/how?
How does a king title vanish?
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Because the King title has no active county inside it, so you must recreate it to make it active again
But that's not true. The county of Navarra is in the kingdom of Navarra. The King holds the county and the kingdom, he dies and all his son gets is the county.
This just happened to one of my vassals.
I'm the Emperor of Tartaria. I had the King of Taurica as a vassal. Upon his death the Kingdom title vanished. This time I think I know why. In a huge surprise: Gavelkind is broken.
The king had 4 counties in his demesne along with the king title. He had 4 sons. The game gave the oldest son the king title. The 2nd son got 2 counties. Sons 3 and 4 got a county each. You can see the issue...the oldest son got no land an therefore was unable to hold the kingdom. Fantastic.
In the process it ejected the 3 sons and their 4 counties right out of my realm. They all accepted vassalization of course given that I'm de jure liege and culture blah blah but talk about broken.
I'm the Emperor of Tartaria. I had the King of Taurica as a vassal. Upon his death the Kingdom title vanished. This time I think I know why. In a huge surprise: Gavelkind is broken.
The king had 4 counties in his demesne along with the king title. He had 4 sons. The game gave the oldest son the king title. The 2nd son got 2 counties. Sons 3 and 4 got a county each. You can see the issue...the oldest son got no land an therefore was unable to hold the kingdom. Fantastic.
In the process it ejected the 3 sons and their 4 counties right out of my realm. They all accepted vassalization of course given that I'm de jure liege and culture blah blah but talk about broken.
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Wow. This just happened again. King of Alania dies and both his kingdom and his duchy that's been around since game start just blow up. He only had one county so his first son got Kingdom and Duchy while the 2nd got the county. Boom, 300 gold down the drain.
Bug with gavelkind, it now gives kingdom level titles to characters without giving them any actual holdings. Hence, they become landless and their title gets destroyed.
It's pretty silly.
It's pretty silly.
I know gavelkind was already bad for weakening the eldest son unreasonably, but making them landless is just ridiculous.
I presume that if this happened to a player it would be instant Game Over?
I presume that if this happened to a player it would be instant Game Over?
I've been running a lot of observer games and I've seen this happen a bunch of times. I posted a bug report about this a while ago.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum....0.1-Disappearing-Tribal-Empires...WAD-or-Bug
No reply as yet. I originally posted about empires but I've seen it happen to kingdoms as well. If you've got examples you could add them to the thread.
I've reported the same bug here: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...g-de-jure-capital-and-ALL-other-counties-away
Would be appreciated if you add your experience to the thread. It almosted drifted into the 5th page while at the same time Paradox was responding to 10+ threads. I fear they're still oblivious to it, so if anyone can add their saves/screenshots/stories then I won't need to bump it as often.
It has to do with having multiple sons and only affects the AI when it comes to kingdom titles destroying themselves. If it happens to the player, you will 'hijack' a county from one of your vassals just the same way when you lose your final holding in a war.
Would be appreciated if you add your experience to the thread. It almosted drifted into the 5th page while at the same time Paradox was responding to 10+ threads. I fear they're still oblivious to it, so if anyone can add their saves/screenshots/stories then I won't need to bump it as often.
It has to do with having multiple sons and only affects the AI when it comes to kingdom titles destroying themselves. If it happens to the player, you will 'hijack' a county from one of your vassals just the same way when you lose your final holding in a war.
Lombardy vanished in one of my games, France vanished once too... When I look at their history and it shows a landless heir...
Between this, the general idiocy of Gavelkind, and the Prepared Invasion bug it's currently pretty hard to enjoy this game.
Your silly disappearing kingdoms... In my recent gameplay Byzantine Empire got removed from map because of inheritance bug.
I have the british and scandinavian kingdoms as vassals. Everytime any of thecurrent vassal-kings die the king title is destroyed and the sons get counties only (and go independent). If it wasn't so expensive to remake the title all the time it wouldn't be so bad.
Despite the 2.2.0.5 patch notes indicating they fixed 2 bugs related to this it is still happening.
They need to stop Gavelkind flipping out when you have "unequal" titles to distribute.
It's really not hard - just code it to equitably distribute the land, i.e. counties, first and then the other titles.
Problem dissipaters.
It's really not hard - just code it to equitably distribute the land, i.e. counties, first and then the other titles.
Problem dissipaters.
