How do you get maps of other empires now?

[Reman]

You used to be able to see the extent of other empires as soon as you met them. While it's cool that they're shrouded a bit more now, it causes some gameplay problems. The biggest one is that it's not possible to fabricate claims on more than a few of their systems before war starts because you can't see them. You can make the claims once the war starts and your ships have started rolling in, but it costs significantly more influence to do this. Is there a way to map other empires, perhaps with an intelligence operation? I haven't seen anything so far, but I haven't played with the system extensively yet.

 

[Weyird]

I would like to know thos for people that dont have the DLC

 

[Less2]

You need to do a diplomatic deal that gives intel, otherwise spy I assume.

 

[Weyird]

So if you don't have Nemesis and you have bad relations, you'll never know their territory?

 

[Forblaze]

At the very least, you'd think a geography tier map of their territory would be relatively easy to steal, even if it keeps the actual contents of the systems secret.

 

[FacelessOne]

So if you don't have Nemesis and you have bad relations, you'll never know their territory?

Would be a pretty bad move, hiding this behind money...
BTW: Ever played EUIV without DLCs?

 

[Azhcristokos]

So if you don't have Nemesis and you have bad relations, you'll never know their territory?

You can build a spy network to gather intel and slowly learn about them. This does not require Nemesis.

 

[Mastikator]

So if you don't have Nemesis and you have bad relations, you'll never know their territory?

You can always send war ships in to uh explore their territory.

 

[Starfury]

Build a spy network.

It kind of makes sense thematically that you can't make a convincing claim on a system if you can't even say who (if anyone) currently owns it.

 

[wodzu_93]

Best way is to establish a spy network, but there are other ways.

Establishing an Embassy gives up to 30 intel (compared to a base 10), and bureaucratic techs raise the base intel level, so you get SOME info without requiring a spy.

 

[grommile]

Establishing an Embassy gives up to 30 intel

though it should be noted that the AI is apparently trigger-happy about cancelling them at the moment.

 

[tremor3258]

It'd be nice if the tooltip gave what intel level certain things needed, I feel the hover-overs on the espionage page do not, it looks like someone's working to fill out the wiki but it'd be nice if the targets were visible in game instead of depending on outside resources.

 

[Nyrael]

Diplomatic way is to establish relationships with them. Embassies will slowly reveal more, while stuff like Commercial Pacts will reveal everything.

Hostile way is to send spies into their countries and collect Intel. You do not need Nemesis for this. Without Nemesis, you have this basic functionality of collecting Intel, with Nemesis you have all those extra operations like Sabotage, Tech stealing and arming Privateers.
If you are at war, send your Scientists together with your fleets and claim systems as you discover them.

 

[Maethendias]

You used to be able to see the extent of other empires as soon as you met them. While it's cool that they're shrouded a bit more now, it causes some gameplay problems. The biggest one is that it's not possible to fabricate claims on more than a few of their systems before war starts because you can't see them. You can make the claims once the war starts and your ships have started rolling in, but it costs significantly more influence to do this. Is there a way to map other empires, perhaps with an intelligence operation? I haven't seen anything so far, but I haven't played with the system extensively yet.

if you want to do it via spionage, build up assets (they help get you more infiltration CAP, which is needed for better intel), then just build up infiltration level, that gives you passive "intel" income (since intel cap (the thing that intel scales off) is directly tied to your infiltration level, meaning... if you have high enough infiltration you end up getting intel by itself

the "GET intel" operation is only usefull if your infiltration level is low enough that the "passive" intel income really doesnt help yet... it basically gives you access to more intel than your "intel cap" you have available (thats why it always decays till you get back to your intel cap, like i said, intel cap scales the intel you have available)

if your intel cap is higher than your current intel available, it means your intel "level" grows until it reaches your full intel cap


so to say

 

[Eladrin]

Your intel target of another empire is the highest of:

• Base Intel (starts at 10 after first contact, some techs, Psionic Ascension, and the Sentry Array increase it, +20 if you have an Embassy)
• Spy Network Infiltration (base cap 50, modified by relative encryption and Assets)
• Trust / 2
• Various diplomatic pacts provide minimum intel targets. (Including being members of the GalCom.)

Every day your Intel will trend slowly towards the intel target.

 

[Maethendias]

Your intel target of another empire is the highest of:

• Base Intel (starts at 10 after first contact, some techs, Psionic Ascension, and the Sentry Array increase it, +20 if you have an Embassy)
• Spy Network Infiltration (base cap 50, modified by relative encryption and Assets)
• Trust / 2
• Various diplomatic pacts provide minimum intel targets. (Including being members of the GalCom.)

Every day your Intel will trend slowly towards the intel target.

that explains it alot better than me

 

[Ixal]

Keep in mind that intel from different sources do not stack. So having both an embassy and a spy network does not give you more intel. Only the highest bonus counts.